Cleo the cat discharge papers May help some

[rhodesian46]

Hi everyone,
Thats right a month laster after Pebbles passes I am back at A& M I had found this Siamese in my backyard abandoned I think. So good hearted me takes her in in July. I named her Cleopatra. Got the 5 dogs used to her and the other 2 cats tolerate her. As a matter of fact one of my cats "Yoda" chases her around the house, I had noticed cleaning out the 3 litter boxes that she wasn't urinating big clumps like my other 2 cats I assumed that"s what cats do. They urinate differently Any way last month I seen her licking her privates after she got out of the litterbox and she had been urinating on my rubber backed rugs( Thank the Lord I can wash these) She appeared to be straining.I took her to the vet He tried to get a urine sample but she had already peed in her cage and smeared it There was some blood tinge to it He put her on Clavamox for 2 weeks ANd suggested I only give her moist food She got better No more licking No more urinating outside her litter box. The a weeks ago she started licking again A few days went bye and she was having accidents I took her back to the vet. He seemed to think that her bladder was full and she may have a bladder stone or mucous plug that was preventing her from urinating. She was at the time going minimal. He said make sure she can go even if it is a little bit because if she can't they go downhill fast. He felt that she didn't need to be catherized but if I decided He could do it yesterday Cleo would of been by herself for the weekend as they aren't 24 hour care. SO I awoke yesterday to drips of blood all over the tile floor I friggin freaked BTW we discovered at the vet that Cleopatra is a male neutered cat. I assumed she was a she. Her name was quickly changed to Cleo!!! I e mailed Dr Bostrom at A & M. She e mailed me back really quickly I told her that my husband was driving Cleo to A & M The man left driving by himself 80 mph with now a cat screaming. Brought back some horrible memory of Pebbles I called A & M and gave them all of Cleos history. Gosh darn I am thinking where the hell am I going to pull this off with money issues!!! Well Cleo doesn't have bladder stones. He has a mucous plug that was plugging her urethra NOt a good thing My husband told them that we found this cat and that we are not putting a lot of $ in him. They quickly sedated him,catherized him and drained his urine which was pretty red. Dr Bostrom had come in to check on him as well. His BUN levels were sky high and his potassium was elevated which in turn could cause heart problems Of course he is still there.in ICU. They have agreed to match the funds up to $1000. we can pay the difference in 6 months installments and had to put down $400( There goes my oven I needed) I got a call from the Dr today He wont be coming home today His potassium is not quite normal bu has come down a lot ALmost normal His heart rate is normal and his BUN ( kidney value) is almost there. She seems to think that Cleo has had this for quite some time because of the high values. He was probably not as plugged. Dr Bostrom comes on Monday as she is working in Feline Dept this week. She has come to see Cleo today as well. The Dr is amazed how well he is doing Cleo is producing a good volume of urine I think they will pull the catheter tomorrow to see if he can urinate on his own providing that his blood values are normal. When he comes home I have been advised that he could plug up again or he may never . They cant t say His water intake will be increased along with prescription food.(moist only) If it plugs again they consider surgery Changing him from a male cat to a female $2500 surgery There is no way I can afford that and have told her that I would have no choice but to euthanize him. To me to keep getting plugged if this happens is not a good quality of life. The Dr agrees. So Cleo has one chance to get better I will work out a payment plan Boy I am crazy Definitely an animal lover. Dr Quinn said a month ago that she had a funny feeling that I would be back Damn so soon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Cara's Mom]

Cleo was very lucky he ended up in your yard;);)
Hope he will be fine for a long time!!

[Ricksma]

Marianne, Many years ago, I had a male neutered cat that I lost to a similar situation....he went into uremic poisoning before I ever even noticed that he wasn't passing urine....I felt so horrible. No one had warned me that neutered males have a tendency to get blockages, and I wasn't paying any attention to it. Of course, I was only about 20 years old at the time, but I still feel bad about it. You have to be careful with neutered male kitties....hope this works out for Cleo!!

Love and hugs, Teresa and Ricky

[rhodesian46]

Thanks Teresa and Marion. I just wish I can be able to sock the money away for a rainy day!!! at AT least a pet fund. Pebbles bills were very expensive for 1 1/2 years Now I have Cleo. He is a lucky and better remain lucky.

[eyelostit]

Hoping Cleo gets better:)

[We Hope]

Marianne,

Bless your heart and bless the caring hearts at A & M who are willing to help match the $ for Cleo's care! :)

I hope he will be fine after they get him on the right road!

Kathy

[eileen]

Marianne....about 5 years ago I had a very similar situation with a kitty named George. Found him spread out on the kitchen floor, rushed him to the vet. Long story short he had to be made into a 'she', because of his scar tissue growing together as he was healing the procedure had to be repeated again only to have him begin to scar together once more so vet performed the surgery for a third time only this time keeping tubes in him so he could heal without closing. He had to stay in the hospital for about a month...total bill was about $3,000. Fortunately the vet allowed me to make payments. Wishing Cleo the best. Eileen

[rhodesian46]

If this happens again I cannot afford it I would have no choice but to euthanize unless someone wanted to adopt him. I feel bad about maybe having to do that. But I just don't have the $$$

[Ricksma]

Marianne, You can only do what you can do...sounds simplistic, but it is the truth. You will do everything you can do for Cleo, I know that. You are a caring person, and I know you go above and beyond the call. When you can no longer help Cleo, you will do the final thing you can do. Don't beat yourself up, Marianne....you'll probably get a cramp kicking your own butt!!

Love and hugs, Teresa and Ricky

[k9diabetes]

Our male cat Gus got blocked with crystals pretty quickly once about six years ago, first and last time so far in his 12 years. So maybe with a better quality of life and a good, moist diet he will do okay.

You can always consider finding him another home if he winds up needing surgery. It's worth a shot anyway.

You could consider changing Cleo to Leo! ;)

My sister had a cat who had a half dozen names during the first year. Eventually she wound up with this cat after someone shot its eye with a BB gun and another person rescued the cat but couldn't keep it. She named the cat Emily...

Eventually, though, Emily turned out to be a boy. After so many name changes, she didn't feel right changing it again. So Emily he remained for the rest of his life! He was a very cool dude.

[rhodesian46]

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I spoke to Dr Bostrom today Cleo is not coming home today. His BUN and potassium have come back down to normal His urine is still a bit bloody so they want to pull the catheter tomorrw and see if he can urinate on his own I think she said he idiopathic cystitis AM a bit confused Will copy and paste his discharge papers when I pick him up Hopefully it is tomorrow. She did give me a great website to read on cat behaviors and info on making his life less stressful
Natalie you will like this site!!!!1
http://www.vet.ohio-state.edu/2209.htm
Changing some of the stress factors including adding another litter box and positioning it where he feel safe. Giving more water may help. She can't say that he won't get clogged again But we can try to help him She doesn't want him on prescription food just canned and add some water bowls MAybe a fountain( Cat fountain if her likes that or just run the bathroom faucet a tiny bit. She said I brought him in just in time as he was so near death. This is where I am confused She said that we may be able to control his flareups ( if any) by of course watching him and urination habits That the vet can put him on an antibiotic and ant inflammatory med provided they check his BUN (kidney level) and that is normal She is sending this info on what to do with Cleo if I bring him in for problems. I will post more when I understand completely. But I know that he doesn't have bladder stones That is good.

[eyelostit]

Sorry this is all happening, I will have to look at that website you posted, you know that stray cat is still around here.

I must of been looking at something like a Dr foster and smith catalog and seen those fountains.

Can you or someone make one with a pump? LOL easier said than done, with me anyway!!:D
Or they do sell those battery operated ones the ones that are little but now with Xmas near you should see lots of these now, some may be bigger,check the drugstores I know the CVS here and sometimes Riteaid has different stuff like that, walmart does not seem to carry this type of item, i have never seen one there. I'm talking about the regular waterfall and stuff like that to calm down humans:D

[rhodesian46]

JUst got a call from A & M The 4 th year student that is working with Dr Bostrom and Cleo wanted me to know that CLeo finally ate Ate a whole can of food THey did give him an appetite stimulant as cats that have this pain generally don't eat well but after the stimulant they generally continue. She is so excited and had to let me know before she went home.The real test is that Cleo will have to urinate on his own in order to go home They are falling in love with him and said that all there think he is soo sweet Now you know why I brought him in. He is also on Metacam I think for pain Dr B said it would be toward the late afternoon before she released him if he is come home tomorrow Another late night Have such a busy day Wed Have to work till 1 then cook.

[eyelostit]

Sounds great, I'm so happy for you and Cleo, Will look forward to your post tommorrow !!:)

[Cara's Mom]

I like the good news !:):)

Hope he'll be home soon.

[rhodesian46]

Thanks guys You are all great.!!!!:D:D:D

[Ricksma]

Keeping everything crossed here, Marianne, hoping for good results for sweet Cleo.

Love and hugs, Teresa and Ricky

[rhodesian46]

Am rushing to get outta here Cleo is being re;eased at 3 pm today He is urinating on his own SO off I am for the long car ride Will be back late Will post discharge papers so that maybe I can help someone else with this problem
Marianne

[k9diabetes]

Happy Dance!!!!

[eyelostit]

Always love good news, and I bet you are bushed!! I hope you don't have to do alot of cooking today:)

[rhodesian46]

Yeah I do
Just having six so not too bad But you know it is eaten too darn fast All that work!!! Good thing we will have plenty leftovers. I ran to Wal MArt to buy Cleo another litter box They say you are supposed to have 1 extra and plus how many cats you have. I am adding water to his moist food. Will post his discharge summary tomorrow . Happy Thanksgiving everyone

[rhodesian46]

Small Animal Emergency
Discharge Summary



Owner:
Marianne Halpin

Austin, TX 78748

Patient: Cleo

Case #: 183275


Admission Date: 11/22/2008

Discharge Date: 11/25/2008

Recheck Date: as needed



Attending Clinician: Brier Bostrom, DVM

Student: Nicole Winquest, 4VM

Physical Examination:
11/22/2008:
Temperature 99.7F Pulse186 bpm Respiratory Rate 36 rpm Weight 7kg Cleo is quiet, alert and responsive on presentation with moist pink mucus membranes and a capillary refill time of <2 seconds. He had a fully distended, very firm bladder present upon palpation. He appeared rather docile. His lungs sounded bilaterally clear. No appreciable murmurs were detected. All peripheral lymph nodes were soft, and normal in size. There was a small amount of dried blood in the hair around the penis. No other abnormalities were found on physical exam.
11/24/2008: Cleo was admitted to the Texas A&M University Veterinary Medical Teaching Hospital on 11/22/2008 .

Presenting complaint: Chroinic UTI/possible blocked

History: Cleo is a 5 year old castrated, male siamese cat who has been dribbling urine in the litter box for about a month. Owner began noticing blood yesterday. He has been straining to urinate and produces only small amounts of urine in the litterbox. Today Cleo started to sound as though he was in pain. About a month ago when he was dribbling urine he was taken to Capital Vet and given Clavamox for about a week. His condition improved after the course of antibiotics. This past week he was dribbling urine again. He was taken to the veterinarian yesterday and was started on Clavamox. He is current on his vaccines and lives with 2 other cats, 1 bird and 5 dogs. The owners have owned him since July 2008 and not know his history prior to this.




Wt:6.2kg, Temp: 102.0F, HR: 176bpm, RR: 40bpm, MM: pink/moist, CRT:<2sec, BCS: 4/5, PS: 1/5, PCV:40, TS: 6.4. Cleo's eyes are clear and his ears are clean. Lymphnodes palpate WNL. On abdominal palpation only a small bladder is palpable, abdomen WNL. Urinary catheter in place. Patient urinating a small amount around the catheter. 51mLs of urine were removed from the bag at 8am. On auscultation no murmurs or arrhythmias are noted and his lungs are clear bilaterally. Cleo is not interested in food and has not been observed drinking water. No other abnormalites noted on physical exam.
11/25/2008:
Wt:6.0kg, Temp: 102.1F, HR: 176bpm, RR: 40bpm MM: pink/moist, CRT:<2sec, BCS: 4/5, PS: 1/5, PCV:36%. Cleo's eyes are clear and his ears are clean. Lymphnodes palpate WNL. On abdominal palpation only a small bladder is palpable, abdomen WNL. Urinary catheter was pulled last night. Patient urinating a well in the litter box. On auscultation no murmurs or arrhythmias are noted and his lungs are clear bilaterally. Cleo is eating well. No other abnormalites noted on physical exam.

Diagnostic Tests & Results:
Radiographs:
Prior to releaving obstruction: The urinary bladder is enlarged. The kidneys also appear large bilaterally. There is a mineralized opacity in the caudal abdomen that appears to be feces, but cannot rule out the possibility of a urethral stone. official report pending
Post obstruction: The urinary bladder is much smaller. Previous mineralized opacity appears to be related to fecal material. urinary catheter is present. official report pending

Bloodwork:
Istat prior to unobstruction
NA 145
K 8.0
Cl 122
Glu 127
Bun >140
Creat 7.5
Istat post 1hr post obstruction
NA 148
K 7.6
Cl 122
Glu 124
Bun >140
Creat 5.5

Fast scan- Enlarged urinary bladder, thickend bladder wall, no evidence of stones


11/24/2008:
Urinalysis (from urinary catheter bag):
Test Result Reference Unit
Color/Transparency light red/cloudy
Specific Gravity 1.013 1.020 - 1.040 GMS/100ml
PH (dipstick) 6.5 6.000 - 7.000
Protein (urine dipstick) 2000 mg/dl
Glucose (urine dipstick) neg mg/dl
Ketones (urine dipstick) neg
Bilirubin (urine dipstick) neg
Blood (urine dipstick) large
Urobilinogen (urine dipstick) 0.2 0.100 - 1.000 mg/dl
SSA 3+
Volume Submitted 5 ml
Volume Centrifuged 3 ml
WBC - UA 1-3 /hpf
RBC-Urine >100/TNTC /hpf
Bacteria (urine) rare
Squamous Epithelial Cells 0-1 /lpf

Panel Interpretation Result
Special Notes Save for Urine Chemistries: Note: Urine saved for UPROT viable for 3 days only, UCREAT viable indefinetly.
Special Notes Save for Culture
Special Notes The confirmatory test for protein is the SSA 3+

NOVA:
Test Result Ranges
Na+ 150.5 146-153 mmol/L
K+ 4.40 3.91-4.40 mmol/L
Cl- 115.4 110.6-115.5 mmol/L
Ca++ 4.37 4.92-5.40 mg/dL
Mg++ 0.50 0.38-0.52 mmol/L
Glu 82 83-112 mg/dL
Lac 1.2 0.3-2.5 mmol/L
BUN 25 7-32 mg/dL
Creat 1.2 0.2-2.5 mg/dL
PCV:40 TS:6.4

11/25/2008:
iSTAT:

Diagnosis:
Urethral obstruction (differentials include mucous plug, urethral stone)

Treatment:
11/22-11/23/2008:
An IV catheter was placed in the cephalic vein and 0.9%NaCL fluids were administered (total of 400mLs over 3 hours). Cleo was induced with 3mLs of propofol and intubated in preparation for urinary catheterization. He was maintained on 1.5% isofluorane throughout the procedure. A pulse-oximiter was used to monitor sP02 and the HR. The penis was scrubbed with betadine, and the penis was gently extruded. A Tom Cat catheter was introduced, and would only advance several centimeters. Sterile saline was gently injected while a second attempt was made to advance the catheter. Although the catheter still would not pass, soft pressure on the urinary bladder allowed a steady stream of bloody urine to be voided. An indwelling red rubber catheter was placed to allow for overnight monitoring of urine output. Sterile saline was used to flush the urinary bladder. Two stay sutures were placed in the prepuce using 4-0 Monocryl to keep the catheter in place. A piece of tape and two more sutures were also placed. A radiograph was taken following the procedure, which revealed the urinary catheter had been advanced slightly too far. The urinary catheter was backed up a small amount, and another set of sutures and tape were used to replace the previous. Cleo's recovery from anesthesia was smooth and unremarkable. He was placed in ICU with a collection bag, and an e-collar was placed.
Fluids: 0.9% NaCl
Buprenorphine 0.3mg/kg q8hrs for pain
Famotidine 0.5mg/kg IV q12hrs
11/24/2008:
Continued NaCl 0.9% but decreased the rate slowly throughout the day. Continued 0.7mg (0.23mL) buprenorphine IV q8hrs and famotidine 3.5mg q12hrs. Started 3.75mg mirtazipine q72hrs and maloxicam 0.625mg PO q24hrs.
11/25/2008:
Continued to decrease fluid rate throughout the night. Discontinued fluids this morning. Urinary catheter was pulled last night. Switched from 0.07mg buprenorphine IV q8hrs to 0.07mg buprenorphine PO q8-12 hours as needed for pain. Discontinued famotidine. Continue maloxicam 0.625mg PO q24hrs and mirtazipine 3.75mg q72hrs.

Instructions to Owner

Medications:
Medication
Generic (trade) Class or
Indication Administration Directions
Buprenorphine, 0.3 mg/mL Injection Opioid Give 0.23 mL transmucosally every 8 to 12 hours as needed for pain.
Mirtazapine, 15 mg Tablet antidepressant Give 1/4 tablet by mouth every 3 days as an appetite suppressant.
Meloxicam, 0.5mg/mL Oral Suspension NSAID Give 1.25 mL by mouth every 24 hours for 3 days.
• Meloxicam (Metacam) is a non-steroidal anti-inflammatory medication (NSAID) which is used to reduce inflammation and pain. While this is generally a safe medication when administered at the prescribed dosage, it is very important that other NSAIDs (including, but not limited to, ibuprofen (Advil), acetominophen (Tylenol), and other veterinary specific NSAIDs) not be administered in conjunction with the Metacam. Steroids medications such as prednisone should also not be given in conjunction with Metacam. Combination of Metacam with other NSAIDs or steroids can cause serious, potentially fatal, side effects. NSAIDs should not be used in dehydrated animals or animals with compromised renal function.
• Buprenorphine is a medication which is used to reduce pain. This medication is absorbed through the mucous membranes (gums). For this reason, the objective when administering buprenorphine is to apply it to his gums, NOT to have him swallow it. While it will not be harmful if swallowed, buprenorphine is more effective if absorbed through the mucous membranes.
• Mirtazapine is used as an appetite stimulant in cats. This was last administered to Cleo on 11/24/08.


Exercise: Please let Cleo set his own pace.

Diet: Ideally, Cleo should be put on a canned diet to promote water consumption. Therefore, canned food needs to make up the majority of his diet. Our recommendation is to primarily feed Cleo the canned food.

Call If: Please call if there is any blood in Cleo's urine or if he is straining or painful while trying to urinate, if he stops eating, becomes lethargic, or if you have any questions or concerns.

Additional Instructions:
Cleo has been diagnosed with a urethral obstruction that resolved after placement of a urinary catheter. After the catheter was removed he was was urinating well on his own. It is important to keep in mind that male cats are more prone to urethral obstructions that can occur at any time. Please continue to monitor him for future obstructions evident by frequent straining, pain in the abdomen, decreased appetite, lethargy, and hiding. If noted please have him checked immediately by your veterinarian as urethral obstructions are life threatening. Should you notice Cleo making more frequent trips to the litter box, producing multiple small amounts of urine, or blood in the urine please have Cleo examined by your veterinarian as this may be an indication that he is suffering from cystitis and this could potentially lead to another urinary obstruction. We recommend that a urinalysis and urine culture be preformed at that time.

Based on Cleo's signs and clinical findings, it is likely that multiple processes are contributing to his condition. One of the conditions that we highly suspect is playing a role in Cleo's signs is known as idiopathic cystitis. Stressful situations are thought to be the inciting cause, but causes seem to be multi-factorial. Stressors are events and changes in your cat's environment that may affect his health and well-being. We may not realize how sensitive our cats are to something as simple as moving furniture around the room or having company over for dinner. Cats are creatures of habit, and they depend on us to keep their surroundings stable and safe. By reducing stress and providing acceptable outlets for their natural behaviors helps keep them healthy and happy.



Here are some things that you can manage to help reduce stress for Cleo:
Litter box:
Litter box hygiene: clean the litter box daily
Type & Size: should be large enough for him to stand up and turn around in
Litter Substrate: find a litter that Cleo likes, most prefer fine-grained, unscented litter
Location & Number: a quiet and private place that is easily accessible with one more litter box than the number of cats available so they each have their own place to "mark".

Resting Areas:
Providing quiet, comfortable locations where he will not be disturbed and wherever he chooses to rest it is important not to disturb him.

Perches:
Providing something that allows him to lie, sit, sleep or look outside from above makes him feel more comfortable and relaxed.

Toys:
Providing toys will keep him entertained and keep him happy by allowing him to use his basic instincts of pouncing and hunting.

Pheromones:
Purchasing and using pheromones such as Feliway (a feline facial pheromone analogue) around their litter box will make him "feel" more familiar and safe to use his litter box. If an anticipated situation is going to be stressful for Cleo, Feliway can be used in the environment. Feliway is thought to help decrease stress and is available is a spray or plug-in difuser.

Refuge:
Having a less-traveled or out-of-the-way area of the home where the cat has access to all the necessities; food, water, a litter box, a scratching post, perch, and toys. This should be a place where your cat feels safe and comfortable, for example a bedroom or back room. The refuge is a place your cat can retreat to when he needs quiet time alone. Your cat should be able to come and go freely from his refuge. When the cat is in his refuge, other members of the household, including people and pets, should not be allowed to bother him.
Water:
Ensuring good hydration and flushing out of the bladder helps to dilute out urine precipitants which may be involved in urethral plug formation. Therefore, we recommend encouraging Cleo to drink more water by using a recirculating water fountain, feeding canned foods only, and changing water bowls often (at least once daily).

For more information about enriching and helping your indoor cat lead a happier and healthier life you can read more at http://vet.osu.edu/indoorcat.htm

Occasionally despite these changes some individuals need intervention with anti-depressant medications such as amitriptyline.

We have submitted a urine culture and the results will be available in 3-5 days. If there is bacterial growth from the culture then we will start Cleo on antibiotics.

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Addendum - 11/25/08 4:42 pm -
11/25/2008:
istat results:
Na: 150mmol/L
K: 4.0mmol/L
Cl: 117mmol/L
iCa: 1.16mmol/L
TCO2: 18mmol/L
Glu: 88mg/dL
BUN: 23mg/dL
Crea: 1.4mg/dL
Hct: 36%PCV
Hb: 12.2g/dL

Diet: Offer Cleo 3oz of food twice daily as the majority of his diet.

[rhodesian46]

Hi everyone,
I hope you all had a great Thanksgiving. I sure did!!! We all should be thankful that we have our health and that our furbabies are still with us I sure missed Pebbles!! ANyway Cleo came home from Texas A & M. He is such a trooper He rode home over 2 hours purring and rubbing his nose against the crate. They said that he hasn't purred the whole time in the hospital. All thought he was the sweetest thing and some got attached! I got home took him out of the crate and he licked my face and purred up a storm Like he was telling me thanks Mom for saving my life He was near death when my husband arrived last Sat they said. I wanted to post some of his discharge papers Hopefully they can can help some with male cats out there . I have been feeding him canned moist food and add a whole lot of water to it. This may prevent the urethra from being blocked along with some changes in his stress at my house. I made him a high bed on top of my dresser in the closet. He is kinda hidden and fells safe away from my dogs. This is his hidden retreat He loves it I put another litter box in there as well along with leaving the closet open just a tab. He is starting to come out and interact I have also put a doggie gate going in my bedroom and raised it up so he doesn't have to jump it but can go under it. I have been doing urine checks in his box to make sure that he isn't urinating too little

[Ricksma]

Marianne, It sounds as though you have (again) gone the extra mile for little Cleo...he is a lucky dude!! I bet you do miss Pebbles, especially now that the holidays are here....didn't Pebs really get into the food prep?? Sending happy thoughts to you and yours..

Love and hugs, Teresa and Ricky

[rhodesian46]

Yes teresa,
Last year I had to watch Pebbles like a hawk as she wasn't yet dx with cushings till Dec 07 She was extremely hungry I had to watch all of the sweets. Pebbles is looking down from doggie heaven and thinking my mom brought another animal in the house!! I am a sucker!!! I know. I am glad that Cleo is doing so good. He is a lucky boy. I am getting attached to him as well as every other critter I bring in. He is just staring to come out of the bedroom. I never had a cat with this kind of personality. My other cat Yoda will let me rub her belly Cleo will roll over like a dog.

[k9diabetes]

I'm so happy to hear Cleo made it home safe and sound!!! :) I imagine living in a good home with good care will reduce the chance of his plugging again.

We were able to catch Gus' fairly early so he just needed a little bit of treatment and no long term hospitalization and he's done well ever since.

He sounds like such a sweetheart... pictures please when you can!

Our Jack and Gus shared a room today for the first time and left each other alone. Katie, on the other hand, is more resistant but Jack's being much better around her, ignoring her tantrums if she's behind a gate so he knows she can't actually hurt him. Now he's venting his excess energy to the Jack Russell terriers next door - one peep out of them and he goes crazy!

Time to relax a little bit...

Natalie

[rhodesian46]

Natyalie,
Have you tried the water bottle spray I filled mine with just water All have to do is pick it up The boys are getting the message really fast

[eyelostit]

Glad Cleo is home, all is well at Marianne's house.:)