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    Hi. Wondering if anyone using caninsulin 8hrly for a diabetic whom metabolize insulin too quickly. What other options have worked for others

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    Re: Caninsulin every 8hrs

    I switched to Levemir about a month ago for this reason. My dog was on Novolin and very rarely had a fasting BG below 400, but peak would be btwn 100-150 so no room for increases. The vet said she metabolized it too quickly. I’d see BG up over 400 by the 7-8 hr mark most days. Levemir has been pretty great with one small glitch... it takes 2 hrs to start acting so we see a pretty sizable food spike before numbers start to come down. Her fasting BGs are usually 150-220 though which I never saw with Novolin N or 70/30.
    Levemir is more concentrated than Caninsulin or Novolin though so if you’re on a low dose of caininsulin it may not be an option. Example, if you’re giving 4u caninsulin you may only give 1u of levemir.

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      Re: Caninsulin every 8hrs

      For me i dont perceive the body metabolizes injected insulin at a faster rate . especially insulin's like NPH and cansulin ( vetsulin for US use ) that uses a suspension to slow the rate of release . I believe its more of a reactionary part of the body to a dose of insulin using its stored sugar of the body . The reasons for that is for speculation and we cant say for sure why it happens but there are theories

      I saw similar things with vetsulin and NPH insulins with jesse. Big drops early with big rises 4 to 6 hours after a dose giving that impression of a faster rate of absorption

      For jesse we ended up giving a substantially lower dose to settle her droping and spiking sugar . We have also seen certain carbs sometimes highly digestible as helping slow down sharp drops after giving insulin

      The key if your curve suggests large drops after giving insulin and food that has to be slowed or regulation will continue to struggle with this instability of dropping and spiking sugar

      Jesse struggled with dropping sugar early and we tried all kinds of foods to try to slow it down but without substantial success . So we waited on giving her insulin a half hour after eating and as much as an hour . It helped but it ended up raising sugar . So we ended up splitting her meal time dose ( she only gets one meal a day and a snack ) half at mealtime the other 2 hours later and that made a big difference for her . Its not perfect but fastings in the 200s was much better than 500s .

      Now we use 3 shots of NPH a day but the way we do it is different from your thought of giving 3 shots a day split 8 hours apart . I have seen a member do what you described with NPH insulin with success and what i do with jesse with 3 shots is not a good comparison on what you suggested .

      I think with lolo and using levemir I think there could be a real advantage for some dogs giving this insulin because you give such a smaller dose of insulin and the body may respond less reactionary just for that reason being a smaller dose but It appears you live outside the united states and may not have the same option of different insulin's that you could try for dogs .

      I can tell you if you have a big drop early after insulin is given that is a difficult situation to overcome and usually the problem with sugar spiking later . thats what needs to be solved to have better stability . Its not the spike later . Usually if you can slow the drop the spike later will be slowed

      I feel all insulin's that dogs can use are not completely appropriate for dogs and we probably could do better but its such a delicate balance of a very complex natural system that we are trying to duplicate with a couple shots a day . What we have is good enough and we dont need perfect blood sugar for long happy dogs lives . My jesse is a good example of that
      Jesse-26 lbs - 16.5 years old ,11 years diabetic, one meal a day homemade and a vitabone snack . 3 shots of Novolin( under the Relion name ) a day . Total insulin for a 24 hour period is 6.5 units of NPH insulin .
      Jesse earned her wings on 6/21/2021

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