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Roxee'sDad 04-16-2009 12:40 PM

Roxee, 13 1/2 y.o. Shih-Tzu/Lhasa mix on Trilostane
 
Hi All,
First I want to thank Natalie for the opportunity to post here and keep track of our cush support family.

Roxee had a bout with the squirts (No offense to Leslie's baby):p diahrea yesterday morning and of course I freaked because she is on Trilo, but then her sister Rozee (littermate) also came down with diahrea. Crappy to wish on Rozee, but made me feel better that it wasn't the Trilo. Tried PeptoBismol, pumpkin and Patty cooked up some bland chicken and pasty rice but to no avail. Last night was the squirty poop night from hell. :eek::eek::eek:

Won't go into gory details but the washing machine has been going non stop all day and it's not over yet. We took Roxee and Rozee to the vet first thing this morning. Found some nasty bacteria and blood in there stool samples.
Gave them both a shot of Vitamin B-12 and Bicillin. Follow on by 5 days of Metronidazole liquid and 5 days of Amforal liquid.

Needless to say Roxee did not get her Trilo this morning and probably skip tomorrow if she still doesn't feel good.

We have 4 furbabies in this house and only 2 got the squirts. Thinking it might have been the pumpkin. I in all my wisdom decided to add a little pumpkin to there late night snack and used a spoon that had dog food on it. Patty found this in the pumkin can and told me that's a no-no. Thought she got it all out but maybe the dogfood interacted with the pumkin overnight and caused this nasty bacteria. so why only Rox and Roz. Because the first 2 spoons from the can went into Rox and Roz's dish before Mickee and Littlebit got fed. So it could be the sisters got the contaminated pumpkin and Mick and L'bit got off scott free. I Hope! Can't imagine 4 dogs running around here with the squirts.:eek:

John (Roxee's Dad)
PS -Wanted to thank Leslie and Glynda for helping me with this on the PM option. I was desperate.

LuvMyMunchie 04-16-2009 01:12 PM

Re: Roxee, 13 1/2 y.o. Shih-Tzu/Lhasa mix on Trilostane
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Roxee'sDad (Post 11106)
Hi All,
Last night was the squirty poop night from hell. :eek::eek::eek:

Can't imagine 4 dogs running around here with the squirts.:eek:
John (Roxee's Dad)

Try 3 cats and 1 dog exploding throughout the night.... phewww!...arrrrghhh! :eek: :eek: Happened to me a few years back so I can definitely sympathize with you, John.

Wise move to discontinue Roxee's Trilo while she's not feeling well. Hope Roxee and Rozee have a rapid recovery and no more "running" around. :D I remember that Roxee had a UTI, had been in misery and was being treated. That's all done and over with now with no re-visits?

Give all your furkids a scritchie from me!

Louise

Squirt's Mom 04-16-2009 01:14 PM

Re: Roxee, 13 1/2 y.o. Shih-Tzu/Lhasa mix on Trilostane
 
Hi John,

So glad Roxee and Rozee got some antibiotics and hope they will be "solid" once again real soon. Just keep Mick and L'Bits out of firing range! :p

Hugs,
Leslie and the girls

PS. Ya know, now that you have put this "squirt" business out here in public, I can't promise what my baby's reaction in gonna be....:p

Roxee'sDad 04-16-2009 05:51 PM

Re: Roxee, 13 1/2 y.o. Shih-Tzu/Lhasa mix on Trilostane
 
Hi Louise,

Quote:

Wise move to discontinue Roxee's Trilo while she's not feeling well. Hope Roxee and Rozee have a rapid recovery and no more "running" around. I remember that Roxee had a UTI, had been in misery and was being treated. That's all done and over with now with no re-visits?
UTI seems to be better, she's not trying to run from her own pee anymore. Her twinkie is staying cleaner now. Will keep watching her and may have her checked again at her next stim.

Leslie, Tell Squirt I'm sorry but I couldn't resist.

John (Roxee's Dad)

John II 04-16-2009 07:23 PM

Re: Roxee, 13 1/2 y.o. Shih-Tzu/Lhasa mix on Trilostane
 
Hi John,

Poor things - I hope they recover quickly!

John II

Roxee'sDad 04-17-2009 06:56 PM

Re: Roxee, 13 1/2 y.o. Shih-Tzu/Lhasa mix on Trilostane
 
Hi all,

Well the poop squirts are gone and they both have there apetite back:) The miracle of modern medicine.:D

Wanted to mention that Roxee has not had her trilo for 2 days now and I was really expecting the panting to return but she slept soundly thru the night and no panting today or any change for that matter. I thought that to be strange.

They were both bathed and groomed by their favorite groomer (me) and believe it, they needed it. :eek::eek::eek: Finally washed the last load of towels and sheets. We should be back to normal.

Will restart the Trilo again tomorow morning.

Once again, no offense to Leslie's baby, hope she can forgive me:p:)

John (Roxee's Dad)

John II 04-18-2009 07:22 AM

Re: Roxee, 13 1/2 y.o. Shih-Tzu/Lhasa mix on Trilostane
 
Hi John,

Well that's good news!

But I don't know if the lack of Cushing's symptoms is also good news, or perhaps a hint that the cortisol could be on the low end of the scale?

Hopefully one of the more experienced members has the answer.

Best wishes,

John II

Rusty's Mom 04-18-2009 07:48 AM

Re: Roxee, 13 1/2 y.o. Shih-Tzu/Lhasa mix on Trilostane
 
John,

Glad they are on the mend! Hopefully your other two will stay healthy!

MJ

barney's mom 04-18-2009 01:28 PM

Re: Roxee, 13 1/2 y.o. Shih-Tzu/Lhasa mix on Trilostane
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Roxee'sDad (Post 11106)
Hi All,
First I want to thank Natalie for the opportunity to post here and keep track of our cush support family.

Roxee had a bout with the squirts (No offense to Leslie's baby):p diahrea yesterday morning and of course I freaked because she is on Trilo, but then her sister Rozee (littermate) also came down with diahrea. Crappy to wish on Rozee, but made me feel better that it wasn't the Trilo. Tried PeptoBismol, pumpkin and Patty cooked up some bland chicken and pasty rice but to no avail. Last night was the squirty poop night from hell. :eek::eek::eek:

Won't go into gory details but the washing machine has been going non stop all day and it's not over yet. We took Roxee and Rozee to the vet first thing this morning. Found some nasty bacteria and blood in there stool samples.
Gave them both a shot of Vitamin B-12 and Bicillin. Follow on by 5 days of Metronidazole liquid and 5 days of Amforal liquid.

Needless to say Roxee did not get her Trilo this morning and probably skip tomorrow if she still doesn't feel good.

We have 4 furbabies in this house and only 2 got the squirts. Thinking it might have been the pumpkin. I in all my wisdom decided to add a little pumpkin to there late night snack and used a spoon that had dog food on it. Patty found this in the pumkin can and told me that's a no-no. Thought she got it all out but maybe the dogfood interacted with the pumkin overnight and caused this nasty bacteria. so why only Rox and Roz. Because the first 2 spoons from the can went into Rox and Roz's dish before Mickee and Littlebit got fed. So it could be the sisters got the contaminated pumpkin and Mick and L'bit got off scott free. I Hope! Can't imagine 4 dogs running around here with the squirts.:eek:

John (Roxee's Dad)
PS -Wanted to thank Leslie and Glynda for helping me with this on the PM option. I was desperate.

"Roxee had a bout with the squirts (No offense to Leslie's baby):p diahrea " :D:D:D
LOL! I am so juvenile, but I found this highly amusing! (nothing personal Squirt)
4 dogs with the Squirts would definitely be a nightmare. I doubt you would be finishing up the laundry so quickly :cool:
Hope everyone is mending nicely.

Cheryl

Roxee'sDad 04-20-2009 05:15 PM

Re: Roxee, 13 1/2 y.o. Shih-Tzu/Lhasa mix on Trilostane
 
Hi All,
Just a quick question:

Has anybody used Denosyl to help liver function? Does anybody have anything good or bad about it.

Note: Roxee is already taking Trilo, Soloxine and Milk Thistle.

Thanks
John (Roxee's Dad)

John II 04-21-2009 02:28 AM

Re: Roxee, 13 1/2 y.o. Shih-Tzu/Lhasa mix on Trilostane
 
Hi John,

Is Roxeee doing OK?

I've got no helpful information because Angelina and I are trudging along the same path as you and Roxee - but about 20 paces behind! :)

I just wanted to ask you about the Milk Thistle:
1) at what stage during treatment did Roxee start taking it?
2) what dose are you giving Roxee?

I'm just thinking it may be something I should start Angelina on.

Best wishes, thought and prayers,
From John II and Angelina I

Roxee'sDad 04-21-2009 06:39 AM

Re: Roxee, 13 1/2 y.o. Shih-Tzu/Lhasa mix on Trilostane
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by John II (Post 11741)
Hi John,

Is Roxeee doing OK?
She is doing so much better, She was off the trilo for 2 days and hadn't pooped in 3 days, lost about 1 -1/2 pounds, down to 12 pounds. I swear she is stronger yesterday and today than I have seen her in a lng time.
I've got no helpful information because Angelina and I are trudging along the same path as you and Roxee - but about 20 paces behind! :)
What info are you looking for? The twice a day dosing?

I just wanted to ask you about the Milk Thistle:
1) at what stage during treatment did Roxee start taking it?
Roxee started taking milk Thistle about 3 months ago, it seemed to be a popular treatment amongst many here for liver regeneration and Roxee's liver ALK numbers have always been pretty high.
2) what dose are you giving Roxee?
1/2 tablet of "Marin" for small dogs. Marin is the brand name and they sell tablets for different size dogs. It contains 105 IU of vitamin E, 24mg of Silybin and 17mg of Zinc.

I'm just thinking it may be something I should start Angelina on.
I have to run now, but I got the info from Glynda or Leslie. I'll see if I can find the pdf file and send it to you tonight (My time)

Best wishes, thought and prayers,
From John II and Angelina I

Best wishes, happy & Positive thoughts and prayers to you and Angelina. Hang in there it takes patience and time.
John (Roxee's Dad)

John II 04-26-2009 11:41 PM

Re: Roxee, 13 1/2 y.o. Shih-Tzu/Lhasa mix on Trilostane
 
Hi John,

Now it's my turn to do the checking-up-on :)

Is Roxeee doing OK? And how are you doing?

I read, that is to say, I think I read that you were considering changing Roxeee's meds (in another thread) is that the case?

Best wishes, thought and prayers,
From John II and Angelina I

gpgscott 04-27-2009 06:17 AM

Re: Roxee, 13 1/2 y.o. Shih-Tzu/Lhasa mix on Trilostane
 
Hi John,

Don't think I have checked in on you here, sorry it is springtime and my business is very demanding this time of year and of course the issue with cc.net has been absorbing online time for me.

Hoping Roxee is continuing to do well on the Trilo.

Scott

Roxee'sDad 04-27-2009 07:54 PM

Re: Roxee, 13 1/2 y.o. Shih-Tzu/Lhasa mix on Trilostane
 
Hi All,
Just an update on my thinking or overthinking process.:(

Roxee is doing okay. I just have been reading so much and gaining new information from the many experiences here, the questions, the responses and so on. So with all that I am looking at my Roxee girl and just wondering if her meds while helping her symptoms are causing other symptoms to appear. If yes, then I have been contemplating what course of action I may take next.

Weight loss - we are feeding her 4 times a day to maintain her weight and try to increase it a little bit. The diahrea bout brought her down to 12 pounds. Her fighting weight should be around 15 to 16 pounds. Today she is at 13.

Weakness - As some of you know, she was dx'd over 2 years ago and went untreated until the begining of Feb this year. Sept 2008, she was able to walk up and down the ramp leading from the doggy door. She went downhill quickly since then. In Dec, she wasn't able to stand and pee or poop without falling over and by Jan it seems she has lost most of her eyesight. Today she is able to stand while doing her business, is walking better but that is relative to last December. She still has trouble lifting her front paws and the tops of her paws drag the ground as she walks. Her hind end seems to work seperately from her front legs and are stiff as pegs. She still falls over from time to time and can absolutely not walk on hardwood floors, it looks like she is trying to ice skate.

Hair - is growing back.:) Potbelly is completely gone.:)

Based on Glynda's experiences with the time it takes to regain enough muscle to walk and get around, I am holding off any decisions to change meds / UTK panel until the July / Aug timeframe unless something drastic happens before then. If we want to do the UTK, I have to think about what will it do to Roxee being off the meds for the 30 day wash out period.

I am just wondering if she has something else going on like maybe a stroke that went undetected, CCD as she often seems lost and or maybe it's just confusing for her since she lost most of her eyesight. She has a hard time just finding the food under her nose and bobs her head up and down until she finds the right height to eat and drink.:confused:

Maybe I am just being impatient, just don't know. As you all know, this is such a difficult and confusing experience for both the cush pup and the cush parent. Thanks for letting me voice (text) my thoughts.

Still the bottom line is that she really is better today than she was before we started the meds.:D

All the Best to you and you pups.
John (Roxee's Dad)

LuvMyMunchie 04-28-2009 03:50 PM

Re: Roxee, 13 1/2 y.o. Shih-Tzu/Lhasa mix on Trilostane
 
John,

I, for one, am glad you shared your thoughts about Roxee.

Quote:

As you all know, this is such a difficult and confusing experience for both the cush pup and the cush parent.
I certainly agree with you here!! I personally don't think you're being too impatient, just a concerned parent. Roxee has had a number of things going on and all any of us want is to see our babies feeling well.

I definitely relate to your concerns and thoughts when it comes to the possibility of some unknown ??? going on. That's how I feel about Munchie, my all to frequently misdiagnosed mystery dog. He's managed to keep all his hair...it's my hair that's falling out at this point! :(

I'm glad that your Roxee is better today than she was before you started the meds and hope she continues to improve.

Louise

nikkismom 04-29-2009 06:18 AM

Re: Roxee, 13 1/2 y.o. Shih-Tzu/Lhasa mix on Trilostane
 
Hi, John, I certainly understand your frustration.I have been very uncertain since I started Nikki's treatment in November. Other than symptoms going away, she seems to feel worse since she's been on lysodren. She seems to have a hard time walking, so mostly sleeps. When she is up she feels pretty good, but that's not often. She is just now recovering from the stress of us leaving her for 6 days.When I had her stimmed right before leaving her post number was 8.7.When we got back she was so weak. I gave her a pred and she perked up, even though I know her number is now alot higher. She still isn't starving and doesn't finish her dinner. I need to have her stimmed but know my vet wants to get her number to 5, which I know will make her feel terrible.I wonder if this may be because when we started her post number was a high 50. My goal was always to have her as comfortable as possible, and when she's where she is supposed to be with cortisol level, she is not comfortable.This is just so hard! It always helps to have company in this battle for answers. Sharon

Roxee'sDad 04-29-2009 12:08 PM

Re: Roxee, 13 1/2 y.o. Shih-Tzu/Lhasa mix on Trilostane
 
Hi All,

And then you have days like today.... Roxee woke up a little earlier this morning:(. Gave me the little yipes and moans to let me know she was up and needed to go outside. (Roxee and Rozee have always slept in bed with us) Took her out and she was trucking around so much stronger than the last couple of days. No falling over today and just all around a stronger day.:D

Be nice if I could find some consistency in her strong and weak days.:confused:

John II
Quote:

I read, that is to say, I think I read that you were considering changing Roxeee's meds (in another thread) is that the case?
Just thinking outloud - Check my earlier post, it is on my mind but too early, need to give it a chance. Once a day, twice a day???? If I could see a difference between am and pm, I would consider twice a day but with Roxee it more like a few good days then a few not so good days.:confused:

Louise -I so am Looking forward to making this Friday night a margarita night.:D:D:D

Sharron- yes it is difficult, if it was easy, we wouldn't be here. Wouldn't it have been nice if we all here became friends due to just our love for our healthy pups and not because of cushings. BTW - From the many threads I have read, some cushparents find there pups do better on cortisol a little higher than the preferred range. How many times have I read that "My cush pup hasn't read the manual on cushings":)

BTW - For those of you that know LittleBit, She was spayed yesterday and of course when I picked her up I felt terrible. Poor little girl was just out of it, drooling and whimpering. Gave me that look like "what did you do to me?" I felt so bad:( I feel like I betrayed her trust in me.:(

All the best to you and your pups.
John (Roxee's Dad)

Squirt's Mom 04-29-2009 02:12 PM

Re: Roxee, 13 1/2 y.o. Shih-Tzu/Lhasa mix on Trilostane
 
Hi John,

Crys was spayed a few weeks back and I got the same look. :( She was back on her feet in no time, but I still felt like a heel, especially when she couldn't eat that morning! I never want her to face the fear of no food ever again. :( Crys got extra, extra lovings that nite and for the next few days, but the surgery didn't slow her down a bit except for that first nite. She was back in full out form the next day! :eek::D

It's good to hear that Roxee is doing good today. I guess we just have to be happy for the good days and remember them on the bad ones. Easier said than done for a cush parent! :rolleyes::p

You're such a good dad, John, and Roxee, Rozee, Lil'Bits and Mic are all lucky to have you, and Patty, on their side. You have done an amazing job to learn as much as you have in the short time you've been around. Keep up the good work!

Hugs,
Leslie and the girls

Truffa's Mom 04-29-2009 09:12 PM

Re: Roxee, 13 1/2 y.o. Shih-Tzu/Lhasa mix on Trilostane
 
Just checking on you.

You have such a wonderful heart!!!!. A good day is something EXTRAORDINARY for a cush parent and a cush pup. We will cross our paws for more good days to come for sweet Roxee.

LittleBit will be up and running in a flash. Just one of those sleep overs on mom's and dad bed, and everything will be forgotten.

Please have a wonderful weekend, with or without margaritas.

Marcela & The Choco Labs

Roxee'sDad 05-15-2009 03:16 PM

Re: Roxee, 13 1/2 y.o. Shih-Tzu/Lhasa mix on Trilostane
 
Hi All,
Well it's time for a Roxee update:

ACTH Stim Test:
Yesterday May 14, 2009
40mg Trilo
Pre: 0.7
Post 1.7 (within range, not sure a celebration is in order)

March 12, 2009
40mg Trilo
Pre: 0.7
Post: 5.2

Feb 12, 2009
30mg Trilo
Pre: 0.9
Post: 10.2

They also ran a short bloodpanel, Can't believe her improvement in ALK and ALP:):D:D:D:D

ALK 213 (23-212)
ALT 57 (10-100)

In 2006:
ALK 705 :eek: (10-150)

You can check all Roxee's records and history in an updated excel file at http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?k...tafT0A0-ejnkOg
At the bottom of the excel page are tabs for acth, urine, bloodtest, weight and so one. Records go back to 2005.

Yesterday was stim day and it was rough with the panting and all. She recovered nicely by evening. She was very strong last night and very strong today:D

So is the cortisol going to continue to drop:confused: or stablize? I guess we have to continue to watch her for symptoms of too low cortisol:( I guess I'll keep my twitcher turned on:)

Bad news: Roxee is down a half pound to 12.2:eek::eek::eek: She is eating 3 to 4 meals a day, get's little to no exercise:confused::confused: Are the sex hormones involved:confused::confused:

It looks like all her bio chemistry is lookin good but I am lacking the sex hormone information. Wish I had gotten the UTK in the begining:( still may have to consider doing it. Will discuss with our vet next week.

That's it for now. Maybe I will have a margarita tonight:)

Belly Rubs to all your furBabies.
John (Roxee's Dad)

BestBuddy 05-15-2009 03:28 PM

Re: Roxee, 13 1/2 y.o. Shih-Tzu/Lhasa mix on Trilostane
 
Hi John,
I would be a little concerned that Roxee's stim was too low......
In the Vetoryl flowchart it says for a post less than 50 nmo/l (1.8) to stop treatment for 7 days and restart at a lower dose.
I would be keeping a close watch on her like you already are doing. Was your vet concerned about the low number?
Jenny

John II 05-15-2009 07:51 PM

Re: Roxee, 13 1/2 y.o. Shih-Tzu/Lhasa mix on Trilostane
 
Hi John & Roxee,

There's always something, isn't there?
Hope Roxee's doing OK.

Best wishes,

Uncle John and Cousin Angelina :)

Roxee'sDad 05-15-2009 08:24 PM

Re: Roxee, 13 1/2 y.o. Shih-Tzu/Lhasa mix on Trilostane
 
Hi Jenny and Brother John,
Yes I am concerned and will watch her very closely. Vet said it looks good and to keep her on the 40 mg per day. Will talk to him early next week.

But the weirdist thing, Roxee is stronger, today and tonight than she has been in months. Just truckin along in the yard.:D:D:D and to think, two days ago I was begining to give up hope:( as she could barely stand. We think she may have hurt her front leg sliding on the very few bare spots on the floor. We've pretty much put throw rugs everywhere she walks but somehow she manages to find a bare spot.:rolleyes:

Well, nighty night time.
Belly rubs to all your pups
John (Roxee's Dad)

Roxee'sDad 05-18-2009 07:46 PM

Re: Roxee, 13 1/2 y.o. Shih-Tzu/Lhasa mix on Trilostane
 
Hi All,
Sent my vet a fax yesterday, thought I would document my concerns and questions in writing giving him a chance to read it and prepare for our coversation. I expressed my concerns about weight loss, continued lowering stim results, UTK and a few other items. He called me this evening, thought the fax thing was a great idea:) and he agreed to contact Dr. Oliver to discuss Roxee's case and his opinion's on the next steps if any we should take with Roxee.

Quote:

In the Vetoryl flowchart it says for a post less than 50 nmo/l (1.8) to stop treatment for 7 days and restart at a lower dose.
I would be keeping a close watch on her like you already are doing. Was your vet concerned about the low number?
Hi Jenny, I read that the number was 1.45 :confused: So now I'm confused.

Belly rubs to all your furr babies.
John (Roxee's Dad)

BestBuddy 05-19-2009 01:11 AM

Re: Roxee, 13 1/2 y.o. Shih-Tzu/Lhasa mix on Trilostane
 
Hey John,
There are so many numbers out there but the one I was talking about was in the Dechra product info for Vetoryl. The conversion is 27.59 so 50nmo/l comes to 1.8.(I hope my figures are right). Many dogs go below this number and are fine but if you have some strange symptoms at this or lower number then I would seriously consider the 7 day break.
Jenny

labblab 05-19-2009 04:08 AM

Re: Roxee, 13 1/2 y.o. Shih-Tzu/Lhasa mix on Trilostane
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Roxee'sDad (Post 14899)
Hi Jenny, I read that the number was 1.45 :confused: So now I'm confused.

Belly rubs to all your furr babies.
John (Roxee's Dad)

I think I can solve the mystery...:)

Up until just the last few months, we had been depending upon Dechra's UK published guidelines in making trilostane treatment and monitoring recommendations. In fact, Jenny was instrumental in obtaining and scanning a hard-to-find, detailed informational brochure for us (thank you again, Jenny!). That 2007 U.K. brochure and flowchart did list a "lower" limit of 50 nmol/l (or 1.8 ug/dl).

However, the newly released 2009 U.S. monitoring flowchart has shifted the "lower" limit down to 40 nmol/l (or 1.45 ug/dl). So I guess we must assume that is Dechra's most current recommendation.

http://www.dechra-us.com/File/vetory..._Flowchart.pdf

Hope that clears up the confusion!

Marianne

BestBuddy 05-19-2009 04:29 AM

Re: Roxee, 13 1/2 y.o. Shih-Tzu/Lhasa mix on Trilostane
 
Yep that's me, always behind the times.
John, I hope I haven't confused you. I don't like reading off the computer so I have been using the hard copy of the 2007 brochure. I guess I had better get with the program and get myself updated.:o
Jenny

labblab 05-19-2009 05:28 AM

Re: Roxee, 13 1/2 y.o. Shih-Tzu/Lhasa mix on Trilostane
 
Regardless of the slight modification of the numbers, your observation was still "right on," Jen -- Roxee's test result is down there at the low end. So your advice remains well taken, to be watching her closely. And you are still very much with the program! :p

Marianne

Roxee'sDad 05-19-2009 06:07 AM

Re: Roxee, 13 1/2 y.o. Shih-Tzu/Lhasa mix on Trilostane
 
Hi Marianne and Jenny,
It's really good that you are keeping me on my toes. Either way, it's a reference number and it is low, and as has been said, every pup is different.

Roxee is being pretty steady on her feet lately but her weight loss is worrisome. She has been very, very picky about what she wants to eat. I can't believe she gave up soft food for kibble. So now she will eat some "Taste of the Wild" Salmon formula. We'll see how long that last:(

She is still sleeping thru the night, I actually had to wake her up this morning. So we decided to not give her any Trilo today and see how she does thruogh the day and evening. Might skip a 2nd day too and see how it goes from there.

Hope the vet gets to discuss Roxee case with Dr. Oliver at the UTK.

I really rely on your inputs and opinions, that is why I post, so keep it up.:)

Belly rubs to your pups.
John (Roxee's Dad)

LuvMyMunchie 05-19-2009 11:26 AM

Re: Roxee, 13 1/2 y.o. Shih-Tzu/Lhasa mix on Trilostane
 
John,

Haven't got any opinions to give, just wanted to drop by and see how Roxee was doing. I also have had a weight loss issue with Munchie in the past so do know how worrisome that can be.

I hope your vet will be discussing Roxee's case with Dr. Oliver too. I've not had the pleasure, but everything I've ever heard about him has been very positive and the fact that he so readily responds to members here, that says a lot in itself.

Give some extra scritchies to your furbabies from me!!

Louise

Truffa's Mom 05-19-2009 12:45 PM

Re: Roxee, 13 1/2 y.o. Shih-Tzu/Lhasa mix on Trilostane
 
Hi Roxee and John

Wanted to see how your baby was doing and I was worried about her low appetite and weight loss. Hope your vet get in touch with Dr. Oliver at the UTK.

Big smooches to lovely Roxee

Marcela & the Choco Labs

Roxee'sDad 05-19-2009 05:27 PM

Re: Roxee, 13 1/2 y.o. Shih-Tzu/Lhasa mix on Trilostane
 
Hi All,
Roxee's doing okay today, thanks for asking. We purchased some not so great canned food today and she munched down. (no offense to Munchie):p

No Trilo today. Panting has increased, don't know if she is really tired from her very short walks or in combination with the warmer weather. She would pant some even on the Trilo. Maybe it's time to give her a short break and gain some weight which I am hoping turns into muscle mass.

The only real downside over the last couple of weeks is her very picky apetite. If it smells good to her she'll eat it. Seems to change day to day.

Also considering checking her T4 for thyroid. See if the effects of Trilo has affected her thyroid. May need a reduction in soloxine. Hope so.

Will keep you posted and I'll let you know what the vet comes back with.

John (Roxee's Dad)

forscooter 05-19-2009 05:34 PM

Re: Roxee, 13 1/2 y.o. Shih-Tzu/Lhasa mix on Trilostane
 
Hey John,

Just checking on you! I don't have much advice to give other than to say that when Bailey goes through the picky eating thing, I stick his food with a little warm water in the microwave for about 15 seconds. Not enough to make it hot....but it seems to release what I refer to as "The Aroma"....and he eats much better. Not sure if that will help with Roxee or not.

I think when any pup is not feeling well it is wise to hold the med just for a little bit. I tend to err on the side of caution myself. I am also glad you'll get some input from Dr. Oliver....he helped me lots! I love him!

A thyroid check is also probably a good idea. If that's off, that can give anyone the yuckies....human and canine alike!

Hoping things perk up very soon!
Hugs, Beth, Bailey and always Scoobie

Meant to add that Munchie's favoritest thing is munching so I think he'll be fine with your reference! I hear his favorite thing to munch is his momma!

LuvMyMunchie 05-19-2009 06:21 PM

Re: Roxee, 13 1/2 y.o. Shih-Tzu/Lhasa mix on Trilostane
 
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We purchased some not so great canned food today and she munched down. (no offense to Munchie)
No offense taken. :D :D Beth is right...Mom is a favorite for munching but his ultimate favorite is a vet - any vet!

Funny that you mention Soloxine....I had started to say why Munchie's weight went down in my post and then decided not to - duh. It was from the dose of Soloxine he was receiving - too much. In 6 months he lost almost 3 lbs. :eek: Lowered the dose and increased his food by 10% and his weight has remained stable. I've got him trained to sit on a baby scale so I can check his weight every week just in case I need to do any food adjustments. What us pup owners won't do out of love for our babies!!!

Hope it is something as simple as lowering the dose of Soloxine and that her appetite will improve so she can get a tad more padding on her doggy bod. :D

Louise

AlisonandMia 05-19-2009 06:47 PM

Re: Roxee, 13 1/2 y.o. Shih-Tzu/Lhasa mix on Trilostane
 
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Beth is right...Mom is a favorite for munching but his ultimate favorite is a vet - any vet!
He's pretty partial to a quick bite of vet tech too, isn't he?

LuvMyMunchie 05-19-2009 08:39 PM

Re: Roxee, 13 1/2 y.o. Shih-Tzu/Lhasa mix on Trilostane
 
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He's pretty partial to a quick bite of vet tech too, isn't he?
Ahhh, now that you mention it, Alison,.....yes! ;)

L

P.S. John - I'm one of those Moms who owns dog clippers and does something that kind of resembles grooming....mainly because I'm afraid that a professional groomer would most certainly be added to Munchie's "nip list" :eek: :eek: :eek:

Rusty's Mom 05-19-2009 10:03 PM

Re: Roxee, 13 1/2 y.o. Shih-Tzu/Lhasa mix on Trilostane
 
John,

Wishing you and Roxee the best!! I hope her numbers, her energy and her coordination all continue to improve.

You're in my thoughts and prayers!

MJ


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