Nike and Kenai

[ventilate]

Hi All, I took Kenais pee in on thursday to confirm that the DDAVp was working and sure nuf, his pee was 1.029. I does not get better than that. SO I now have 2 dogs, remotely related, with the so called uncommon Diabetis Insipidus, so I guess I kiind of belong here sort of. The vet told me he doubted Kenai had when I asked him if I could start the drops on him as it would be almost impossible to have 2 dogs with it. He doesnt know my dogs as good as he thinks he does I guess No use me buying lottery tickets anymore my luck is used up with this.
Hope many find us here and that the CC site is up soon so all will be able to find us again.
Thanks again Natalie
Sharon, Nike and Kenai

[BestBuddy]

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Hi Sharon,
Nice to see you here. Good job on dx Kenai. I must say "we know our dogs" better than some vets.
Jenny

[gpgscott]

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Hi Sharon,

Good to hear from you and even better to hear that the pups are doing well. And a hearty second, third whatever to Nat for being our host.

Scott

[Squirt's Mom]

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Hi Sharon,

So glad you and the Giants are here!

Hugs,
Leslie and the girls

[ventilate]

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thanks, have to ask again how to download a pic for the avatar, tried but it must be to big, again, can anyone help?
Wanted to give a quick history on Nike for those who dont know us. Nike is now a 12.5 year old giant Schnauzer who was diagnosed with Cushings over 3 years ago and has been treated for 3 years now and doing very well. She did not clear her PU/PD when her cushings was under control and after further testing and a trip to an internal Med Specialist she was diagnosed with Diabetes Insipidus, and a year later hypothyroid. She is doing wonderful and still wants to play with her toys and any towles on the floor to wipe feet or beards or socks she happens to find in the dirty laundry basket. Her cortisol has dropped low ( 0.2 to 0.7) a few times with very few signs, maybe just slightly weaker back legs. She also had bilat ACL repair when she was 8 so her hind end has some arthritis and she is a very old large breed dog so it can be very slight difference. Anyway I miniloaded her about a year and half ago and it took a long while to get back up again. she was off lysodren for about 3 months or so. At that point I decided to treat her when she looked symptomatic, that has worked excellent for her. I have her stimed now about every 6 months or so. She is again on a lysodren holiday as I gave her 500 mg in January and had her stimed about 4 days later and her cortisol was down below 0.5 again ( if I remember correctly) Plan to get her stimed again in June.
The other member of my family is Kenai he is also a Giant schnauzer. he is Nikes boyfriend. He is now 8.5 years old and doing well. He is not Cushnoid, he has early cardiac changes that appear to be cardiomyopathy and is hypertensive, his BP has been 240s i think at times and even with meds is still high so we are working on that. We think his hypertension is kidney related and are keeping a close eye on his labs, and so far it appears to all be good. He began drinking more and when I mentioned it to the vet he checked his USG it was 1.006 ish a few times. Although my vet said it was extreamly rare for a dog to have DI, and even rarer to have 2 dogs with it, he agreed to trying the DDAVP drops I use for Nike, his first USG on it was 1.018 the second one was 1.028. So rare or not I have 2 dogs with DI.
That is our history in the readers digest version. I have been a member of the cushings.net site since I found out Nike had Pit cushings and have gotten so much help and support from the members there I cant begin to thank them all. Without them we would not be going on 3 and a half years post diag.
Hope this helps figure out who I, Nike and Kenai are.
Hugs from me and mine to you and yours
Sharon et el

[gpgscott]

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If you cannot cut it down email it to me Sharon, scott@goldenpinesgardens.com and I will prune it for you.

Scott

[Wylie's Mom]

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Hi Sharon,

I don't know much about DI, but from a cushing's standpoint, 1.029 sounds great - yeah!

-Susy

[ventilate]

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Susy;
1.029 is excellent for a DI dog as well, it is normal and Nike has only been there once and it took to many eye drops at $120.00 per 5 ccs I chose to decrease her drops and settle for the 1.0teens instead now 2 on the drops and my money tree froze again with the snow last week. here we go again
Man it is wierd to be on pg one again and to be seen as a Jr member again, but just glad to be here
S,N andK

[Squirt's Mom]

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Here are some links on DI for those who don't know about it:

• Diabetes Insipidus
http://www.petplace .com/article- printer-friendly .aspx?id= 3258

• Diabetes insipidus
http://www.provet. co.uk/health/ diseases/ diabetesinsipidu s.htm

• Diabetes Insipidus
http://www.merckvet manual.com/ mvm/index. jsp?cfile= htm/bc/40507. htm

• Desmopressin acetate (brand name DDAVP®)
A synthetic antidiuretic hormone that is used to treat Central DI
http://petplace. netscape. com/articles/ artShow.asp? artID=1516

Hugs,
Leslie and the girls

[ventilate]

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thanks fellow jr member Leslie
you are all over it, on the ball, thanks for posting the DI stuff
S,N and K

[ventilate]

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Thanks Scott;
S

[Wylie's Mom]

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We should replace this smiley face with your new avatar.
-Susy

[ventilate]

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thanks to whom ever put Nikes pic as my avatar. I tried and could not do it.
S,N and K

[forscooter]

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Hi there....

I am back...and checking on the Land of Giants! I hope Kenai is feeling better! How is he tolerating the drops? Don't mind me if I missed it bc I am almost blurry-eyed I am so tired right now. I'll have to come back and catch up more but couldn't leave without popping in on my favoritest Giant woman!!

I was going to email you but then found you here! Don't you feel so refreshed now being a "junior"? LOL.... Kinda like when Scott got ID'd trying to buy some alcohol as I recall.....

Love ya, Beth, Bailey and always Scoobers

[ventilate]

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Thanks Beth;
It was almost the land of GianT this am; It must be something in the air, I read your post about dog bite season. Demon spawn, yes it is back to DS had a temporary lapse in judgement but he claims it was temporary insanity but I give him and Nike a kong with frozen peanut butter and cookies and a marrow bone with cream cheeze and a cookie frozen in it to keep them busy for a while when I work. So he had his and as I walked by him to leave for work at 0530 he lost his stinken mind and he growled at me. Well Ceasar learned me good I tossed my stuff down on the floor. I got on my hands and knees and grabbed his neck in that dog bite thing he does and leaned over him, and switched hands and kept the dog bite thing going on his neck and switched hands and kept the dog bite thing going and going and going finally after 15 minutes ( it never takes Ceasar that long) I had to leave for work and my hands were cramping, every time I would loosen my dog bite grip thing he would do a little growl so after 15 minutes i slightly loosened it and he didnt growl so I took that as success and let him up. At times like this I wish he was a yorkie.
We are going to have a real come to Jesus meeting on Monday when i am not working and can take how long it takes to get him to relax, and give it up. He goes though this about 3 or 4 times a year where he forgets he is not the the King and we do this. I can take food out of his mouth, I can put my hand in his food dish when he is eating and he eats around it and will give me anything he has in his mouth if I ask for it, It just seems like when he is on his bed with his treats and I am leaving for work he gets very possessive of his toys/treats. I am not scared of him when he does that, but I do keep my face back when I am doing things like that. If he thinks I am scared I will never get control of him again, he is 115 lbs and I would be in big trouble then. We usually go through this he and I come to an understanding and all is good for the next few months.
So at work today the doc ordered an MRI on a patient and I told him the pt would to tolerate the MRI vent we have ( it is an antiquated piece of crap) as his vent setting were to high for the vent to handle. He said sounds like you will have to manually ventilate him. ( which for those of you who do not know is like the dog bite thing, 14 times in a minute for about an hr or more) oh yea sounds like a party to me. Good thing he was just bugging me.
I am wondering if Nike isnt addisons. Her legs will get weak, I give her pred for a few days, 2.5 or 5 mg per day for 3 or 4 days then she is good for a week or 10 day and then it happens again, but it hasnt been really nice and warm yet so maybe its the cool, damp weather. She is eating great and drinking a bit more too so dont know. I know the only way to know is stim, I am planning on it the end of May first part of June.
For those of you that dont know, I am treating Nike with the Sharon protocol. I, like Beth, am treating her symptoms. I am treating her for comfort now as she is 12 and a half years old Giant breed and has already outlived her expectancy. For the past year and half I have been giving her lysodren when she looks to me like her levels are getting higher per water uptake, eating, legs weak just that I know her best stuff. It has worked great for us. Her labs have been great her Alk/Phos has been normal for the last year and half, she grabbed the foot wiping, beard wiping rag off the floor this am and had Kenai tugging with her so obviously is feeling good.
Sorry for the book
Hugs to all from me and mine and demon spawn ( good thing I love him or his hide would be on my wall instead of on his back)
S,N and K