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Old 06-07-2018, 04:01 PM
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Hi, I am new to this forum. I have an 8 year old Jack russell who was diagnosed diabetic around 2 years ago. Unfortunately he has now lost his eye site due to cataracts however we find he does an amazing job of getting around the house, garden and going on walks he is familiar with.

He has his insulin and food twice a day at approx 6am and 6pm.

Over the last few weeks during the night he has been waking us whining and panting generally but occasionally yelping and growling. This tends to happen at around 10pm and then again at around 4am. We were at first putting this down to him been hot as the UK weather has been surprisingly humid, and then down to him being hungry. However now I am wondering if it could be something else. Anyone had any similar experience ?

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Old 06-07-2018, 06:43 PM
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HI and welcome

It does sound like your dog is in some discomfort . Early in jesses diagnosis she did something similar during the night. We started testing her blood sugar at home and determined her blood sugar was swinging wildly at night going from very low to very high . Once we solved that she was better

Other complications of diabetes is pancreatitis that can be quite painful .

If testing blood sugar at home you can test at these times of discomfort to rule out a problem with blood sugar

you dog is definitely telling you we have a problem and you kind have to be a detective to solve it
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Old 06-07-2018, 10:20 PM
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I would say if he is not having digestive difficulties, then his blood sugar is probably bouncing around. What are numbers from his last curve? Testing at home gives you a tool to figure out these types of problems and hopefully, you can get it solved. If you are interested, we can help you get started.

My Maggie was a JRT - they are such lively and wonderful pups. She was 7 when diagnosed and lived to be almost 16.
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Old 06-08-2018, 04:57 AM
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Over the last few weeks during the night he has been waking us whining and panting generally but occasionally yelping and growling. This tends to happen at around 10pm and then again at around 4am. We were at first putting this down to him been hot as the UK weather has been surprisingly humid, and then down to him being hungry.
This may sound too simplistic, but Scooter will vocalize and pant when it gets too hot. He does this in the car and does it at home. Making him cooler (putting on the AC) and, thus, more comfortable does the trick and he calms down almost immediately. The diabetes may also add to the discomfort on hot/humid days.

Try going the temperature route and see if it works.
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Old 06-08-2018, 02:52 PM
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Hi, thanks for the replies. He has struggled with his sugars we had a period where we thought we were going to loose him as his sugar levels dropped so low, so it is possible that although he is loads better they are still not 100%. He is under regular checks at the vet.
How do you guys test your dogs blood at home? again this is something we have struggled with, getting the correct amount of blood. When he visits the vets they often have to take the blood from his leg as they cannot get the correct amount from an ear.
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Old 06-08-2018, 03:48 PM
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I have used jesses inner lip above her canine tooth . It does sound like an odd spot but there is not allot of nerve endings there so they dont feel much if anything at all . I have tested jesse there for over 8 tears and thousands of tests with no problems . Most times she gives me a kiss afterwards silly girl

Now you may want to break that down in steps to get your dog use to it . start with just rolling the lip up exposing the canine tooth maybe rub the area with a napkin and be done until comfortable and then move onto the next step . Some dogs are fine with it some are not but for us its easy with no hair to deal with

We tried the ears originally and struggled so went to the inner lip . For jesse being so difficult she had to be tested at home no choice . had to find a way
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You can try the flesh on either side of the base of the tail. Use a thicker lancet, maybe even hand poke with the lancet.
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Old 06-19-2018, 01:27 PM
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Hi, we are struggling with him at the minute. He is currently on Cansulin on 7.5 twice a day- however the last few days he has not been himself, he has being weeing and soiling in the house, increasing hungry at night (I would say 10pm onwards) thirsty, not settling and at times he has been shaking. We have today controlled this with honey. I am under the impression his blood is high due to the other signs?
I am really finding that my vet doesnít know what to reccemend anymore, in general they are offering blood tests and telling us to either increase or decrease the insulin which is not actually giving us a result.
Currently he is not himself, he is panting heavily, refusing to go out for a walk and just in general not right. We will be booking him into the vets yet again tomorrow but just wondered if anyone had any advice as we are at our wits end.
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Old 06-19-2018, 01:39 PM
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You just dont know if its high sugar or low . Could be either . You maybe seeing big swings in sugar that could be uncomfortable for a dog .

some of the symptoms could point to a seizure or borderline to one and with honey helping may point to sugar being low

the only way to know if its sugar is to test sugar at home and with a vet thats doesnt seem to understand the particulars of the disease ( which is not unusual for the reason its a disease thats managed at home not at the vet )

I was in the same boat constantly running to the vet testing blood sugar as i was so worried until i decided to test at home . It was a bit of a learning curve at the beginning being a person with no medical understanding . I figured it out and learned so much and that was over 8 years ago
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Old 06-19-2018, 01:52 PM
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Can I ask which kit you baught?
Yes thatís correct we are unsure which it is, I plan to get him a vets appointment after work tomorrow. We are having issues with food, the usual food he was having he has begun to stop eating- our guess is he may have got bored of it. Any recommendations to any sort of foods to try with him? Also anyone have any experience of a dog being particaually ravenous at nighttime ? He normally has his insulin and food at. 6pm and then 6am !
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