Angel Mochi December 2020

[jesse girl]

Re: Can't get back to the normal curve

The review about a dog showing sever diabetes for 6 months and i gave a few drops and back to normal sounds cruel to me

The very first description said this product cured diabetes in their dog . As we know there is no cure for diabetic dogs and they need insulin therapy

I am not saying it cant help but its not a cure and if it had a good reputation wouldn't the veterinary community support it ?

[Raysaint]

Re: Can't get back to the normal curve

Unethical marketing, and claims like that should be regulated more, however, supplements are allowed to make outrageous claims without needing proof.
The market is full of snake oil products.

No supplement regulates type 1 diabetes. These companies are looking for gullible people.

[k9diabetes]

Re: Can't get back to the normal curve

Supplements like this at most might reduce the amount of insulin you have to give - they won't cure canine diabetes. They could potentially help a feline diabetic go into remission as cats are more like human Type II diabetics.

But they can have other unwanted side effects as well. Any supplement - anything you add regardless of what it is - adds another variable into the mix. We tried to limit the variables as much as possible and he had plenty of other medications mixed in for his heart, etc.

Natalie

[Lchow022]

Re: Can't get back to the normal curve

Thank you everyone for your input! I definitely think it's a little sketchy with some reviews saying it cured their diabetes.

But Mochi's blood sugar isn't getting any better. I thought it did because after work on Wednesday and Thursday I took his blood sugar at 7:30/8:30 and it looked ok. On Wednesday it was 250 and then Thursday it dropped significantly to 100.

I'm doing a blood sugar curve today. So far the numbers are not looking good

5:30am before food and insulin it was at 410 then between 5:30 til 9:30 it only went up...and it's jumped to 450. I gave him the injection and I made sure it went in his skin...
Should I raise his dose tonight If its continuously this high? I don't understand what's happening at all...it should be going down after insulin..

[jesse girl]

Re: Can't get back to the normal curve

Like i said with jesse i do the opposite of most and lower the dose when i see higher numbers as the first thing i do

[Raysaint]

Re: Can't get back to the normal curve

Sugar going higher after eating is normal. Insulin is weak and food is metabolising. You said he had a mountain type curve, which means it rises after eating then comes down.

My dog's sugar doesn't start to go down after eating for about 4 hours.

Remember the NPH isn't fast acting, so sugar doesn't come down quickly.

And sugar curves can be very different depending on fasting number. If my dog starts the day somewhat high, his curve can be different than if he starts at a good number. When he starts high, he can have a lower nadir than if he starts at a good number. The body can self correct a bit.

That's why I suggest doing another curve when his fasting is lower. Studies have shown that one curve can be very different from another.

[LizE]

Re: Can't get back to the normal curve

Your low has recently been at 100. If you raise your dose this is bound to go even lower. No matter how high your numbers get it's the low one that you really need to pay attention to.

The high numbers can be frustrating but I'm not sure jumping to a new dose is going to make things better. Does Mochi seem OK otherwise? Did you ever find out if there was an ingredient change in the dog food? Could he be getting arthritis? There are a lot of things to consider. I think you are still in the information gathering stage of this problem and should be caution with any changes.

[Lchow022]

Blood work results confusing...

Hi everyone,

Mochi had his annual bloodwork done and I'm not sure what to think of it. My vet said its nothing out of the normal for a diabetic dog but the higher numbers on a few things are worrying me.

He had to get an additional tryglicerides test done because his cholesterol is a little higher than normal still. Even after putting him on a low fat diet and on omega 3 it didnt drop it back down.
His thyroid numbers are a little lower as well..so they want to do an additional thyroid t4 test. And I'm worried about his pancreas levels which are also a little higher than the norm.
He said they can't do anything about it unless they're showing symptoms...

Should I be worried? Is there anything I can give him to lower his pancreas levels?

[jesse girl]

Re: Blood work results confusing...

Well a diabetic dog already has a compromised pancreas . Low fat diets they say can take some pressure off the pancreas as far as digestion . As long as a dog is eating the pancreas will work and depending on the food how hard it has to work

I have jesse on one meal a day hoping that would give her pancreas a break from digestion . Cant be sure if it makes any difference but she hasn't had much stomach upset over the years . We have not done any testing in a long time mostly now because of her age

I tend to agree with your vet that as long as you dont see any symptoms then your probably good to go

[Raysaint]

Re: Blood work results confusing...

Being a little higher than normal for many things can be part of the game, and probably isn’t dangerous. If numbers continue to go higher, then investigation is warranted.

Perfect bloodwork is rare. My dog’s pancreas number has always been a bit high.
And triglycerides bloodwork needs to be fasting.

[momofdecker]

Re: Blood work results confusing...

Diabetes alone can cause elevated cholesterol and a low T4 value. If hypothyroidism is a concern please request that your vet run a full thyroid panel (through MSU or Dr Dodd’s/Hemopet). Just testing the T4 value in a diabetic may not give you accurate results. If hypothyroidism is confirmed and thyroid meds are started please ask about monitoring blood glucose levels. Untreated hypothyroidism can cause insulin resistance and once medicated, insulin needs may drastically be reduced.

[Lchow022]

Re: Blood work results confusing...

Thank you for the response!

I haven't gotten a call back from my vet yet. He did have a T4 panel and his triglycerides done Saturday morning.

His blood sugar has been pretty good so I'm hoping it's not hypothyroid or anything serious..

Did your dogs show any symptoms before he was diagnosed with hypothyroid?

My old 14 year old is already going through a lot after rushing him to the emergency a few weeks ago..he was diagnosed with heart failure suddenly...and after doing an ultrasound on his abdominal and heart they incidentally found a tumor on his adrenal gland..
I'm really hoping that Mochi has nothing so I won't have to worry too much about him.

[MikeMurphy]

Re: Blood work results confusing...

Like Holli said, if you suspect hypothyroidism, make sure your vet has a full thyroid profile done at MSU or Dr. Dodds Hemopet.

To properly diagnose hypothyroidism, a full thyroid profile needs to be done, not just a T4. A Full Thyroid Profile includes T4, freeT4, T3, freeT3 and TGAA.

My dog Lily has hypothyroidism. Before treatment, her triglycerides and cholesterol were very high.

[Lchow022]

Re: Blood work results confusing...

Thanks Mike,

Mochi's levels aren't too high and his blood sugars good but I'm not sure what it could be if he doesn't have hypothyroid.

Were you guys able to notice any symptoms or differences?

I'll give my vet a call and see what the results are.
I'm not sure if he got the whole t4 panel done or just a t4. I'll be sure to ask that too.

[Raysaint]

Re: Blood work results confusing...

My dog had hypothyroid before even diabetes, but he displayed no signs, so the specialist said no sense treating it, until it produced signs/symptoms.

Once he became diabetic, I decided to treat it, even tho still no symptoms. One pill a day and that's all he needs now.