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Old 03-31-2016, 05:20 AM
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So it's been a while since I've been on to give an update on Luna. For anyone new, Luna is a Great Dane and currently 4 1/2 months old. She was diagnosed with diabetes at around 12 weeks. We started insulin therapy right away. On a weekly basis, we do two days of 24 hours curves and adjust the units of insulin each week based on those numbers. This is probably going to be the pattern for the first year. We are feeding her Blue Wilderness Adult Large Breed food, chose this for the fiber content. It's not easy finding an appropriate food for a diabetic puppy. We can't just give the normal diabetic dog food as it's weight controlled which she definitely does not need. We have also introduced some grain-free treats, frozen green beans, dehydrated chicken, and raw or hard-boiled eggs to her diet. Just so she has some variety.

Anyway, we had a bet of a set back last couple weeks (nothing major). She started with a UTI, which as we all know is a typical thing for diabetic dogs. So we didn't adjust the insulin levels that week. That and her gaining 5 lbs since the last insulin change caused her numbers to go up. Also, we switched from humilin N to novolin N, obviously to try and cut some costs. But I'm concerned that may have played a part in things as well. Oh and she is teething too. So many things can be playing a part in the sugar spikes with her only being 4 months old. She is growing like crazy right now too. But then she is a Dane

We increased her units by 2 and are working again to get her numbers back to a healthy range. We are hoping that her body adjusted to the different insulin formula (again both are type NPH) and we can continue to use the cheaper brand.

It's been a long, interesting road the last few months. But we love our little Luna and are so very happy that we've been able to her on a healthy path.

I got a lot of good advice on this forum the first month or so. So that you to all!

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Old 03-31-2016, 06:24 AM
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thats fantastic news and its nice to see the progress of the growth of luna and you in this adventure

we enjoy luna updates
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Old 03-31-2016, 05:53 PM
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I wouldn't attribute the problems to changing to novolin n - most dogs are not affected. It is probably puppyhood. Nothing like a challenge.

As far as grain free treats, make certain what you are using doesn't substitute something like potatoes (which can be worse on blood sugar than grain). I have a pet supply store and unfortunately that is the down side of the grain free trend. Some companies put in much worse ingredients and some are super fatty. People think they are choosing healthier when they actually aren't.

I know it is really hard to walk the line with so many things that go along with having a large breed puppy and adding diabetes to that is almost too much. One of my employees adopted a great dane puppy with HOD and he is quite a challenge. So much to think about!
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Hi there,
I can't remember if I ever posted anything on your other thread or not (I am a bit of a forum lurker), but I've been Luna reader since you joined and this was a great update
We all face set backs from time to time. In my opinion, that's just how some dogs are with diabetes. Then again, with puppy growing pains, teething, and a UTI (minor or not) it sounds like this is a challenging time for you guys.
Good luck bringing her back down into th happy Luna range!! You're doing great!!

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Old 04-01-2016, 11:27 AM
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It is but we are working through it. I just found an older thread on here (2012) that gave me some further piece of mind. Luna has what I see is being referred to as a mountain curve. My vet keeps telling me it's backwards from what it should be. I'm going to have her read through this. Sounds like many prefer to have this curve as it gives more piece of mind when the nadir is at feeding time. That way you don't have to be as concerned with the dog dropping to low.

Would like to hear some recent thoughts on this.

And I'll get an updated pic posted soon for you all!!

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Old 04-01-2016, 11:30 AM
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Yes, I check all the treats for ingredients, but thanks for the tip. From what I can see most of the Blue Wilderness treats are good. However, we did dehydrate some chicken breasts. And I use hard boiled or raw eggs daily. I believe I saw where tuna can be a good treat as well. I'd welcome any and all suggestions on how to bring in a variety of foods for her. Will be planting our garden soon. So I want to plant things that she can have.
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it does not matter what a curve looks like just so its in an adequate range

my thought on curves if the fasting starts at a lower number the numbers may rise into that mid point then drop back down into next fasting ( a mountain type curve ) if the numbers starts out higher the numbers may drop into that mid point of the day then start rising into next fasting a smiley type curve

my jesse fluctuates depending on that fasting of hers and that determines her curve for the day . for many its dependable with that consistent fasting number

basically this is how the body balances injected insulin a very different process from the natural one

with foods you can just experiment some dogs are more sensitive to changes than others. i would think smaller dogs would be more difficult than larger

with my jesse 1 can be somewhat flexible with her routine at times but overall her routine is pretty consistent and repeatable from food shots and exercise
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The curve is somewhat within your control but different dogs just process insulin and food differently. I would prefer a mountain curve but it is just not always in the cards. If you have one, I certainly wouldn't try to change it. The overall range and numbers are more important than the shape. With a puppy, it may change.
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Bazzle had a mountain curve when he was on N insulin, and it was nice to know that I wouldn't have to worry about him having a hypo event while I was away to work. My boy is on 70/30 insulin now (which definitely isn't typical for diabetic pups) so now his curve is kind of... sideways s shaped. He starts out on the upper end of his range, then goes up for 2 hours, then comes down for 4, then he gets a mid day snack, goes up for 2, then is steady for 4, then it's dinner, up for 2, walk, down for 4... anyway, you get the idea. I think the point is that the range of numbers from highest to lowest is good. Bazz is struggling right now, but normally his numbers go from about 100 to 250.
So yeah, when the overall range is good, the shape doesn't really matter
Don't you just love the spring time and getting ready to plant things? I like to plant string beans, sugar snap peas, and tomatoes to share with Bazzle sparingly (with the exception of the string beans they have a fair amount of natural sugar in them, so he only gets them occasionally). My dad grows a fairly large garden full of all sorts of vegies and berries, so whenever we visit him, Dad and I have to watch Bazz like a hawk to make sure he doesn't eat our entire fall harvest! For year round treats, Bazz and I stick to the boiled chicken peices, and all natural pureed pumpkin.
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Old 04-06-2016, 06:28 PM
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Appreciate all the input as always. Luna gained another 3-4 lbs this week. She is growing fast so her numbers are creeping up again but it seems her body has adjusted to the Novolan. I will report in to the vet tomorrow and I'm sure we will increase her dose another couple units.

Her eating is up and down as us normal with any 4 month old pup. Some days she eats great some not. I'm trying to mix it up a bit. Introduced tuna last week. About a TB mixed in with her dry food. She seems to love that. And I usually mix in a raw egg with her breakfast. I'm considering trying to Vital food. I checked the ingredients and the only thing I wasn't sure about was that it has cranberries.
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