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Old 06-14-2018, 03:25 PM
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Has anyone with a dog inclined to food spikes found a dry food that did NOT spike their dog... or not spike as much? I really donít want to give R since her spikes are unpredictable... sometimes 50 pts and sometimes 200. I was feeding wellness core reduced fat and Iím doing a gradual switch to RC glycobalance now and itís awful. Sheís spiking 250 pts! Sheís hitting levels over 500 2 hrs after eating. We havenít seen those numbers in ages. I think Iím going to have to bail on RC and just go back to wellness. I called their info line and they said glycobalance is formulated to maintain healthy glucose levels... and prevent a drop after eating. So it sounds like itís almost formulated to spike them... not good for a dog that is inclined to spike, not drop, after eating.
Iím so frustrated by this food thing.
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Old 06-14-2018, 04:11 PM
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Yeah its probably there to give a little punch early with the strong action of insulin or possible overlap from the previous dose . For dogs who drop early this food maybe beneficial

Like you said your dog was already spiking so this food may make it worse

I have the same problem with jesse she could spike allot or barely nothing at all it makes you think is it really a food spike or some kind of hormonal response . You would think if it was food it would do it every time but who knows for sure

Jesse changed from dropping after food and insulin to rising after

With any food change you kind of have to re regulate again depending how different the food is constructed

Its funny when you try something new you forget how well you had it before but we all would like to do better for our pups . I have a ton of things i tried thats on the trash heap but i learned something from each and everyone of them
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Old 06-14-2018, 06:28 PM
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Its funny when you try something new you forget how well you had it before but we all would like to do better for our pups .
This is so true! Last night I was telling myself that itís never going to get better if Iím not willing to try something new (no risk, no reward etc), but this new is not better. I know numbers can get a little rocky as they adjust to any food change, but I just cant stomach these highs.
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Old 06-15-2018, 11:59 AM
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Default Re: Frustrated with food spikes

When Daisy was spiking several hundred points after eating, I soaked a portion of her kibble to flatten out her curve. The food was hitting her system, it wasn't digesting. Adding water and soaking some kibble aided her digestion process.
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Old 06-15-2018, 12:25 PM
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I stopped the glycobalance yesterday and went back to just wellness last night. I do already add a teeny bit of water to it. I heat up abt 15g of ground turkey and then add a bit of water to make a turkey broth and pour it all over her dry food. Probably only a tbs of water though and I feed it to her right away. I could try adding more water and/or let it sit and soak. How long do you soak for and how much water? Iíve always felt like that would spike her more because she would digest faster if soaked and spike more before insulin kicks in. Levemir has a real delayed action of about 2 hrs.
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Old 06-16-2018, 04:37 AM
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I mush up all her food in a food processor with a little water, then soak about 11g of kibble until it's mushy. I put it in the microwave with water for about 20 seconds. Daisy is on Novolin N, so I'm not sure how the food would react with a different insulin.
I have seen success stories concerning high fasting numbers with soaking/wetting food to an almost canned dog food consistency. So far it's helped Daisy with her sluggish digestion.
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...She’s spiking 250 pts! She’s hitting levels over 500 2 hrs after eating. We haven’t seen those numbers in ages. I think I’m going to have to bail on RC and just go back to wellness....I’m so frustrated by this food thing.
If your pet is having these drastic changes after doing well before it may be a change in insulin dosage or type is now required. Introducing Novolin R, the fast acting version insulin, can help to control the spikes you are seeing. It's reaches peak at about two hours after injection, which would seem to be the exact time your dog is hitting a spike.

Changing food back and forth is not helping, either. Even after Scooter was diagnosed I continued using the same food. No changes. I saw no need to make any and his levels remain well below most others who post here. That control is due to my vet suggesting the use of both Novolin R and N to keep his levels in check.

A consultation with your vet may be in order.
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Old 06-17-2018, 01:07 PM
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i was just testing glycobalance in hopes of finding a food that didnít cause any food spike, or a very minimal one. It was obviously not a good choice so we just went back to the food I had been feeding her. Which has potatoes so probably isnít a great choice either.
Her spike isnít necessarily at 2 hrs, but thatís just the point where the Levemir starts to act. Itís long acting, but has a very delayed action. She starts to spike within minutes of eating and then continues to rise until the Levemir starts acting. Iíve considered using R, but because she has lowish fasting numbers (usually under 200) and the degree of spike is unpredictable I just donít feel comfortable using it yet. I also donít want it overlapping with levemir so I canít really wait and see how much she spikes and then administer R or it will overlap.
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Old 06-18-2018, 04:25 AM
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Your original post here does not mention you are using Levemir. You mentioned Novolin R so I assumed you were using Novolin N, now.

Had I known that I would not have suggested considering Novolin R which should only be used together with Novolin N.

One good reason to provide your specifics in your signature. In that way we will know exactly what you are doing with your pet and can respond accurately.
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Old 06-18-2018, 07:09 AM
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Default Re: Frustrated with food spikes

Actually Lucyís specialist who put her on Levemir said I could give R to deal with food spikes, so they can be used in combo. I just told her Iíd like to at least attempt to lower them with a food change first.
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