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Old 04-20-2018, 06:10 AM
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Hi everyone! My almost 12 year old Pomeranian was diagnosed with diabetes close to 3 years ago. We have managed it well with Humulin insulin. I have never had a problem at meal times! He has eaten Hills W/D 1/2c stew and 1/4c dry for breakfast and dinner and has loved it ever since his diagnosis. About 3 weeks ago, he was also diagnosed with pancreatitis. As he was recovering from that, he was on a more "bland" diet of simply chicken, a little rice, and cottage cheese. I tried several recipes. He refused all of the recipes I tried. He refused any of it mixed together, he refused the rice! He ended up only agreeing to eat ground chicken breast, ground 99% FF turkey and 1% cottage cheese, so this is what his diet consisted of. After a week -10 days I tried to start giving him some of his W/D food and he still refused, so I continued with the chicken/turkey combo and cottage cheese. Now he is refusing to eat that. Last night, I went back to regular chicken breasts, shredded, which he ate and a few bites of cottage cheese. I have tried sweet potatoes, I have made "cookies" out of his dog food and some veggies. I am new to making his food to really know what is good and nutritious for him because he has always loved the dog food and meal times have never been an issue. He is VERY picky. Suggestions? Tips? His vet has given me several recipes to try...and he doesn't like any of them! I will, of course, run anything by his vet! She is wonderful and is totally in this 100% with me! He currently takes 4.5 units of humulin-N 2x per day and weighs approx. 13 lbs. Sorry for the long post! Any help will be greatly appreciated! I love my boy so much!!
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Old 04-20-2018, 06:21 AM
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Hi and welcome

Its not unusual to see a change in appetite after having pancreatitis do to how painful it can be .The healing can take quite sometime to get back to normal

You may have to give smaller meals to give the pancreas a rest and in time the appetite will return but its very possible to not be as robust before the event .
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Old 04-20-2018, 07:16 AM
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Thank you. It worries me anytime he won't eat, but makes me feel better to know this may be normal. I will keep searching for other options to try to him that might peak his interest...and will be safe for him while he continues to heal!
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Old 04-20-2018, 07:40 AM
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another factor is if blood sugar is higher that could also suppress appetite
and not feeling good

Its a really rough disease and slow to heal so patience is key . How are you dosing insulin with not eating well ?
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Old 04-20-2018, 08:25 AM
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His normal dose is 4.5 units 2x daily with a full meal. His vet has instructed me to do only 2 units if he does not eat and to do a partial dose from there based on how much of his meal he eats. If he eats his full meal, of course, I give his full dose.
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Old 04-20-2018, 01:44 PM
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Hi Kirby's mom!

I too have a diabetic Pomeranian and when he went through pancreatitis he did not want to eat anything...He was super picky with everything during recovery time as well and we just gave him whatever he wanted to eat. He's not so much of a picky eater now but during those times he didn't want to eat anything but chicken. Maybe just give him comfort food for now until he is fully better.

Also, do you do home blood sugar tests? I'd suggest you do it if you don't because my boy once in a while wouldn't feel like eating and when I test his bs it was super high and that was probably why.
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Old 04-20-2018, 02:19 PM
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Hi Lchow022! Thanks for the reassurance! If you don't mind me asking...how long did it take before your baby was back to his "normal"? My Kirby was just went through his bout with pancreatitis on April 3. The vet and ER said we caught it early, thankfully, and he only had to spend 1 night in the ER...but it has been a roller coaster ever since. I just don't know what the norm is! I have tried numerous times testing his blood sugar at home...and it just does not work out well for me. I ordered the kit. The little lancets that come with the kit don't go deep enough to get a blood sample, so I have to try to use needles to get a sample from his ear...and I get so worked up when I try to do it, and then he gets worked up...that it never turns out well. It's just a big mess! I know others seem to do it with no problem, and I feel totally inadequate that I am not able to do so.
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Old 04-20-2018, 03:49 PM
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Kirby got lucky that it got caught early. Mochi was suffering for about 3 weeks in and out of the hospital to get iv fluids...he even had to stay over night for three nights straight. He had it really bad and it hit him hard because I was ignorant and changed his diet to a raw pork diet right after he was diagnosed with diabetes. The owner of the raw food diet company recommended it to me it ended up almost killing him. He wasn't back to his normal self until maybe 3.5 weeks later. But I still needed to purchase a bag of sq fluid to do at home under the skin injections for another week. Did Kirby get any iv fluids at all?

Getting blood off a Pomeranian is super tricky...It took me a long time to find a spot and master poking him to get blood. I still sometimes fail because of how small his veins are.
I looked for a vein around his ear because it's one of the safer places to get blood from. I found a vein on the edge of his ear. I shaved off a bit of fur on the side and i would make sure to have good lighting. I would put him on my lap and we would both be facing the window or a bright lamp. If you look on the edge of his ear you will be able to find that vein too. That is where I would poke to get blood.

What kind of blood meter did you purchase? I suggest you get the alpha trek because it doesn't require a lot of blood and the amount of blood you are going to get will be really little unless you hit the good spot.
It is so handy to be able to test at home...you can save so much money and stress from bringing him into the vet to get curves done. Hopefully poor Kirby will eat again.
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Old 04-21-2018, 07:11 PM
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Ears are pretty tricky. Does your dog have any skin tags or bumps? These usually give blood easily and donít usually have nerve endings. You donít need a vein to get blood. You also might try shaving some hair at the base of the tail. You will need a bigger lancet because the skin is thicker but most dogs will allow it.
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Old 04-22-2018, 12:36 PM
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Lchow022,
Kirby did get IV fluids while he was at the ER. He was there for a little less than 24 hours. His regular vet is wonderful and I am so ridiculously anal about him that I call her anytime something is "off" with him. He had been reluctant to eat for a couple weeks, so she had done some bloodwork which had come back fine. Then, a little less than a week later, he ate a little of his breakfast, went outside and started eating grass and immediately started throwing up and threw up about 10 times in the course of about an hour. I, immediately, called his vet and she told him to bring him in and she was running every test imaginable on him! The rapid pancreatitis test came back immediately positive. She recommended that he stay in the ER overnight so they could give him IV fluids and monitor his glucose levels. I visited him the following morning and he ate some chicken and he didn't throw it up, all of his levels remained good, so they let me bring him home that evening. I have the alpha track meter, as well. I give the at home testing a try every now and then...but I find that I am so nervous about it, that it make him get even more worked up..he ends up biting me most of the time! It's just an awful time for both of us!

amydunn19,
I've watched a couple videos and I've tried on his paw pad and on his "elbow" area...but I have never been able to get any blood at all from those areas! I just have the most awful time. I feel sorry for my poor guy when I try to do it here at home.
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