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Old 02-24-2019, 07:31 PM
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As Natalie sugested snowball may need some professional assistance with the possibility of her episodes as being neurological . You may want to video what you are seeing from snowball so its documented . If you want you can post it but this is probably more than can be figured here on the forum .
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Old 02-25-2019, 07:44 AM
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As Natalie sugested snowball may need some professional assistance with the possibility of her episodes as being neurological . You may want to video what you are seeing from snowball so its documented . If you want you can post it but this is probably more than can be figured here on the forum .
I do not believe they are neurological or anything other to do with diabetes. Below are levels from the 22nd and two tests this morning. I fed her around 6:30pm last night, mixed some science diet W/D with her normal taste of the wild food to see if any difference and there was none. She ate the food and almost immediately could not move. I could take a video if that would help, but imagine picking dog up and putting her on all four legs and just watching her sink back to the ground. She got the shot at 7pm last night and at 11pm she walked over to the grass and pooped and peed. So approximately 3 1/2 to 4 hours until she could walk again. This morning I got her up at 610am and she walked across the house, outside and peed. Came in and ate her food at approx 6:15am, again W/D mixed with taste of the wild. Almost immediately after that she could not walk again. I tried to have her pee when I got to work at 8:30am and she would just drop to the ground when I tried to stand her up on her paws. Now it is 9:42am and I just tried it and she was standing a bit and could probably go and pee. I am not a Vet, but clearly it appears the food (any food) is causing some type of spike that is causing her to go numb. The last time we solved this behavior by regulating the amount of food which also meant giving less food. In theory I could give less food and that may fix the problem, but that becomes a cycle that is not sustainable as soon she will be eating no food if I have to reduce and reduce every few months.

Feb 22nd Feb 25th
6:15am 172 6:15am 162
9am 244 9am 224
11am 162
1pm 205
3:24pm 301
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Old 02-25-2019, 08:24 AM
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Like others have said, I dont think it has anything to do with her BG levels. They look really good.

A few posts back you mentioned that you were hand feeding her. That may indicate that there is some pain involved in eating, which could be pancreatitis.

At this point, I think were just guessing.

Id have her examined by your vet.
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Old 02-25-2019, 08:32 AM
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Like others have said, I dont think it has anything to do with her BG levels. They look really good.

A few posts back you mentioned that you were hand feeding her. That may indicate that there is some pain involved in eating, which could be pancreatitis.

At this point, I think were just guessing.

Id have her examined by your vet.
We only hand feed her because she can't stand up eat, this morning she was standing and ate without issue. We have had her examined a number of times by the vet actually a couple of vets with less useful information than this forum.
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Old 02-25-2019, 08:35 AM
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the numbers you posted dont reflect what we see from nephropathy in dogs . also it doesnt come and go from what we have seen on the forum

You have a dog that is willing to eat and after consuming food cant move . so your theory is it is spiking sugar from food . the problem with that you have not posted any numbers that would reflect that and dogs food does not digest and produce blood sugar at that kind of speed . maybe if you fed sugar cookies that may happen

IT appears food is a trigger . a neurological problem is a problem from the brain and connecting nerves are not working properly and signals are not getting to the muscles . Now it appears the episode occurs during feeding . Many things can cause a dog to collapse from neurological , digestive and even heart problems .

I would recommend to feed snowball at the vet so they can monitor and see what is actually occurring at the time of collapse . they can check vitals and other things that are occurring . A video would be helpful for your own personal records but you would like to know whats going on with snowball internally

Now I feed jesse one meal a day and some of the reasons is digestive so her body is not always in digestive mode . She had pancreatitis and i did not want that to recur so we took this approach and worked . Now she gets a normal dose at mealtime and 50 % less in the morning with just a milk bone snack and has worked well for her . Now you could try something like this and see if it helps . You could also try a complete food change and see if that helps . I give jesse a homemade diet so that maybe the best way to go to limit ingredients and have control of adding or removing food but thats maybe as far as you could go on your own if you dont get any positive results
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Old 02-25-2019, 09:18 AM
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https://www.whole-dog-journal.com/is...es_5239-1.html

This article isn't to promote the brands of food, more to offer a possible cause of your dog's issue. If it happens always right after eating, my initial thought was that an ingredient in the food is causing a reaction. Possibly just a complete food change might be worth a try.
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Old 02-26-2019, 04:34 AM
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So a little update. To be more specific on what is going on. The past I guess its 3 days now she wakes up and its basically fine, she eats and then can't walk for probably 2-3 hours (9am-10am) or so and then is fine until maybe 3pm. Around 3pm typically she can't walk again and this is probably going on until 2-4 hours after the shot at night which usually is at 7pm. Last night she wouldn't stand up to pee at 11pm yet she was walking a bit at 8:45pm and did walk over to me at 9:15pm last night.

I dropped food to half portion and dropped insulin from 3.5 to 2ml to see if that makes any difference and did that again this morning. as well.
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Old 02-26-2019, 08:16 AM
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https://www.petplace.com/article/dog...lapse-in-dogs/


Now i dont know if this is what snowball is going through but it gives a list of approaches to take to diagnose the problem that could apply to snowball . More info is better and if possible for a vet to be present during an episode to make tests . I dont think you can pinpoint the problem without veterinary testing .
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Old 02-26-2019, 11:27 AM
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So here are the last few days of readings. And for comparison one of the last readings I did in October when she was doing much better. You'll see in the october reading she was going lower towards the end of the 12 hour mark where now she just keeps spiking up around 1pm and keeps on going. Any ideas on that?

Oct 25th
6:15am 145
9:00AM 168
11:00am 226
1:00PM 274
3:00PM 215
6PM 143
10:51PM 223




Feb 22nd
6:15am 172
9am 244
11am 162
1pm 205
3:24pm 301
7:17pm 260
10PM 201
11pm 157
12:07am 172


Feb 24th

12:09AM 119
9:30am 287
12:18pm 127
3:43PM 153
650PM 289
10PM 201
11pm 157


Feb 25th
6:15am 162
9am 224
11am 133
1PM 160
3:10PM 259
6:00PM 366 Tried half food and 2U
915PM 149
11pm 137

Feb 26th
6:15am 190 Tried half food and 2ml
9:30am 250
11:15am 189
1PM 277
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https://www.petplace.com/article/dog...lapse-in-dogs/


Now i dont know if this is what snowball is going through but it gives a list of approaches to take to diagnose the problem that could apply to snowball . More info is better and if possible for a vet to be present during an episode to make tests . I dont think you can pinpoint the problem without veterinary testing .
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So here are the last few days of readings. And for comparison one of the last readings I did in October when she was doing much better. You'll see in the october reading she was going lower towards the end of the 12 hour mark where now she just keeps spiking up around 1pm and keeps on going. Any ideas on that?

Oct 25th
6:15am 145
9:00AM 168
11:00am 226
1:00PM 274
3:00PM 215
6PM 143
10:51PM 223




Feb 22nd
6:15am 172
9am 244
11am 162
1pm 205
3:24pm 301
7:17pm 260
10PM 201
11pm 157
12:07am 172


Feb 24th

12:09AM 119
9:30am 287
12:18pm 127
3:43PM 153
650PM 289
10PM 201
11pm 157


Feb 25th
6:15am 162
9am 224
11am 133
1PM 160
3:10PM 259
6:00PM 366 Tried half food and 2U
915PM 149
11pm 137

Feb 26th
6:15am 190 Tried half food and 2ml
9:30am 250
11:15am 189
1PM 277
Her February BG numbers look really good. Most of us here on the forum would be extremely happy with these numbers.

The article that jesse girl has provided may provide some clues as to why Snowball is experiencing periods of weakness. Your vet should be able to diagnose the root cause or at least refer you to a specialist that can help out.
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