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[Annemieke]

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[Annemieke]

Bart from Holland

Hello, my name is Annemieke and I live in the Netherlands with my husband and our dog Bart (small Münsterlander 21 kg day of day of birth 7-28-2011). I am very glad I found this forum, because it helped me with so many questions and solutions. I couldn’t find a Dutch forum. Bart is diagnosed with diabetes 1 oktober 2019. So several months now. It began that we noticed that he was peeing long times, he held his hind leg so long up a tree, we thought he could work in a circus. After three weeks, we brought a morning urine sample at the vet. One hour later she rang and told as to come with the dog. She took a blood sample and his BG was 24.7 mmol / 445 mg. The vet asked what we wanted to do, immediately we respond: “We want to tread him of course”. So she injected 11 units vetsulin and told us to do so ones a day. We had to come after three days 7 hours after morning meal and injecting 11 units. The vet took his BG, it was 3.6 / 64.8 (she took his BG by drawing blood with a syringe from his paw) it was too low, so we were going to give him two injections a day. Two times 5 units. We tried several times to take a blood drop at home in his ear, but did not to succeed in getting a big enough drop. After 5 days we went again to measure his BG. The vet did an example by picking his ear with a big needle in the hand. He gave a yell. Yes, that was a big enough drop, but I knew I couldn’t do that do my dog. The BG was 13 / 234. We went up from 5 to 5.5 twice a day. We always had given him dry food, after the diagnose we changed to Royal Canin Diet Diabetic. Low in carbohydrates, high in fibre. Before he became ill he weight 23.5 kg. At the diagnose 21.8.
He was losing weight while we were treading him, so we had to give more dry food. Giving more food meant giving more insulin. We went from 6 to 6.5 to 7 up to 7.5. Still it was difficult to hold him on weight. Went to 19.9 kg. He looked not all right. He was skinny, but when he had eaten his big bowl of dry food his stomach/chest would blow up. He felt not good after eating such much food. Lying lethargic on his bed, not wanting to go out and under his mouth in his bed it became a wet spot. Injecting him was difficult because there was not a loose skin to pick after eating because he was so blown up.
Then searching the internet I found the Freestyle sensor op YouTube, we ordered two sensors and the reader. On 15 november we received the sensor and put it ourselves on the dog. Now we could measure his Bg every minute if we want to. Discovered that after meals he staid high for more than three hours. That why he’s feeling bad. Now we looked for other food. Reading a lot on your forum, we see you all cook yourself. Also reading on internet that dogs don’t need carbohydrates at all. Under supervision of the sensor we changed to raw meat. We buy it at the pet store. It’s called Raw for Dogs, comes in sausages and contains no carbohydrate, 10 % vegetables
Now he does very well. After meals and insulin his Bg does rise, but descends more quickly. After his 12.00 meal he does not rise at all. He eats 3 times a day 200 gram (8.30 am – 12.00 am – 19.30 pm) at 12.00 he gets 10 gram dry diabetic food and at 22.30 again 10 gram to catch the nadir. Gained weight. Has a nice shiny fur. Went down with Insulin. In the morning 6.5 and in the evening 6.

[bgdavis]

Re: New to this forum

Right place to start a discussion. Tell us about your doggie.

Bonnie and Angel Crissy Ann

[MisterAlan]

Re: Bart from Holland

You can go back to the original place you posted because most people go there and discuss the things about diabetes but welcome. I will post some of my thoughts over at the original post in discussions.

[MisterAlan]

Re: New to this forum

I just recently got my dog regulated and found out that a pure protein diet doesnt go well with BG numbers in leveling but thats from my experience but if it works for you by all means continue. I just wanted to know if you have a full days curve to show because i did read up on raw diets but didnt know how stable they make the curves go but seems you are doing well from what you have posted.

[Annemieke]

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I did post my story on K9 Biographies.

I have to say, I have not made an curve on one day. Because getting a good drop of blood is not so easy. I pick him in his lip or in the little cushion on the front paw. Sometimes I have do pick him three times to get one good drop. So I don't want to eager him this doing it all day long. But I do it maybe 4 times a week on different times. Then I get this curve.

Fasting number 8.30h 227 - 205 - 222 - 193 - 229 -fasting number 19.30h 297 - 209 - 184

Probably in september we will put on a new freestyle sensor. That is much more easier to follow his numbers and see the pattern.

[Raysaint]

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those numbers look good.

[jesse girl]

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those numbers look good.

Agreed very nice . Might need a thicker lancet . Usually I have no problem getting blood from the inner lip . Are you pricking above the canine tooth ?

[MisterAlan]

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Wow those are nice numbers for a raw diet. Im looking into options incase my dogs diabetes changes trajectories and your diet seems to be a nice option if i run into a problem regulating later on.

[Annemieke]

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I will put my story here, maybe a better place.
Bart from Holland
Hello, my name is Annemieke and I live in the Netherlands with my husband and our dog Bart (small Münsterlander 21 kg day of day of birth 7-28-2011). I am very glad I found this forum, because it helped me with so many questions and solutions. I couldn’t find a Dutch forum. Bart is diagnosed with diabetes 1 oktober 2019. So several months now. It began that we noticed that he was peeing long times, he held his hind leg so long up a tree, we thought he could work in a circus. After three weeks, we brought a morning urine sample at the vet. One hour later she rang and told as to come with the dog. She took a blood sample and his BG was 24.7 mmol / 445 mg. The vet asked what we wanted to do, immediately we respond: “We want to tread him of course”. So she injected 11 units vetsulin and told us to do so ones a day. We had to come after three days 7 hours after morning meal and injecting 11 units. The vet took his BG, it was 3.6 / 64.8 (she took his BG by drawing blood with a syringe from his paw) it was too low, so we were going to give him two injections a day. Two times 5 units. We tried several times to take a blood drop at home in his ear, but did not to succeed in getting a big enough drop. After 5 days we went again to measure his BG. The vet did an example by picking his ear with a big needle in the hand. He gave a yell. Yes, that was a big enough drop, but I knew I couldn’t do that do my dog. The BG was 13 / 234. We went up from 5 to 5.5 twice a day. We always had given him dry food, after the diagnose we changed to Royal Canin Diet Diabetic. Low in carbohydrates, high in fibre. Before he became ill he weight 23.5 kg. At the diagnose 21.8.
He was losing weight while we were treading him, so we had to give more dry food. Giving more food meant giving more insulin. We went from 6 to 6.5 to 7 up to 7.5. Still it was difficult to hold him on weight. Went to 19.9 kg. He looked not all right. He was skinny, but when he had eaten his big bowl of dry food his stomach/chest would blow up. He felt not good after eating such much food. Lying lethargic on his bed, not wanting to go out and under his mouth in his bed it became a wet spot. Injecting him was difficult because there was not a loose skin to pick after eating because he was so blown up.
Then searching the internet I found the Freestyle sensor op YouTube, we ordered two sensors and the reader. On 15 november we received the sensor and put it ourselves on the dog. Now we could measure his Bg every minute if we want to. Discovered that after meals he staid high for more than three hours. That why he’s feeling bad. Now we looked for other food. Reading a lot on your forum, we see you all cook yourself. Also reading on internet that dogs don’t need carbohydrates at all. Under supervision of the sensor we changed to raw meat. We buy it at the pet store. It’s called Raw for Dogs, comes in sausages and contains no carbohydrate, 10 % vegetables
Now he does very well. After meals and insulin his Bg does rise, but descends more quickly. After his 12.00 meal he does not rise at all. He eats 3 times a day 200 gram (8.30 am – 12.00 am – 19.30 pm) at 12.00 he gets 10 gram dry diabetic food and at 22.30 again 10 gram to catch the nadir. Gained weight. Has a nice shiny fur. Went down with Insulin. In the morning 6.5 and in the evening 6.

[Annemieke]

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I use the pooking device wich came with Accucheck instant. I think the lancets are 2.5 mm. On the box it says 0.4 mm 286

I also mailed with sellers and they send me lancets, but the biggest are also 2.5 mm.

[jesse girl]

Re: New to this forum

I actually use a thin lancet on jesse who is a beagle that have a long snout like your dog which means there is plenty of inner lip to test. Maybe the lance device setting may need to be a bit deeper . I have removed the plastic protector on my devices so the lance has direct contact . You could try a different lance device . The ear is a tough place to test and did not work out for jesse

there are videos on testing the inner lip . If you dog is accepting it may just take a bit of practice

You doing a great job

[Annemieke]

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The lancet divice is set on the highest number 5. I tried to register some weeks ago, but didn't succeed. Now I filled in Mike Murphy as contact. So Mike I hope you don't mind. I read a lot of your story. I red many of your story's and find you are doing great things. Reading how many years your dogs have diabetics. It gives me hope for our dog. We overcame the first few months with a lot of stress. Like pooking the dog, high numbers and in march he developed an infection in his mouth. There was an broken tooth in the back. The vet referred as to another vet specialised in teeth. She had equipment to fotografh teeth. It was in the beginning of Covid 19. We only first had an appointment for looking. And we would make an appointment then for the treatment. But she said: because he his diabetic I want to treat him immediately and I don't know if I have the respiratory machine next week. Some vets had to deliver there machine to the hospitals. The Netherlands were hadding to a shortage on the IC. She removed 7 teeth and filled one. She took his BG twice 153 and 156.

[MikeMurphy]

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The lancet divice is set on the highest number 5. I tried to register some weeks ago, but didn't succeed. Now I filled in Mike Murphy as contact. So Mike I hope you don't mind. I read a lot of your story. I red many of your story's and find you are doing great things. Reading how many years your dogs have diabetics. It gives me hope for our dog. We overcame the first few months with a lot of stress. Like pooking the dog, high numbers and in march he developed an infection in his mouth. There was an broken tooth in the back. The vet referred as to another vet specialised in teeth. She had equipment to fotografh teeth. It was in the beginning of Covid 19. We only first had an appointment for looking. And we would make an appointment then for the treatment. But she said: because he his diabetic I want to treat him immediately and I don't know if I have the respiratory machine next week. Some vets had to deliver there machine to the hospitals. The Netherlands were hadding to a shortage on the IC. She removed 7 teeth and filled one. She took his BG twice 153 and 156.

Hi and welcome to the forum. No problem adding me as a Contact. You are doing a wonderful job managing Bart’s diabetes!

[jesse girl]

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You may need to put a bit more pressure with the lance device against the inner lip and holding that pressure for a second after activating the device and the then remove the device . Now you can milk it a bit squeezing enough to sample . Mike also uses his dogs inner lip with no problems