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Old 09-23-2012, 03:20 PM
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Default Angel Piper.... October 31, 2015

Hi Everyone,

Piper is our 10 yr old Border Collie/GSD mix. Last Monday we took her to the vet because she was peeing in the house (we thought maybe a UTI), and they did a urinalysis. They called us back the next day, and told us to bring her in because it showed glucose in the urine. They tested her blood glucose there, and it was 493. They started her on Humulin-N (Novolin) at 10 units twice a day. She went back Friday for another blood glucose test, and it was still high, so they upped her to 12 units twice a day. I'm here to learn more about diabetes in dogs, and what we can do to help her.

I do have a question to start off though... I'm having trouble getting her to eat when it's time now. We've never had a problem getting her to eat before, so I think she's already started associating her meals with getting an injection. What can I do to make this easier for her?

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Old 09-23-2012, 04:32 PM
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Hi Mandy, sorry about the diagnosis. I had to quit giving Jenny her shots while eating for that very reason. I wait until she is totally done now and give her a small piece of chicken jerky which she adores. She knows she gets jerky only after a shot so that helps.

Also, if Piper isn't eating, you don't want to give the full dose.

How much does she weigh? Did they do a full curve where they tested her every 2 hours?

Some of our more experienced folks will probably be on later and more info helps them give you suggestions.

I have also resorted to putting a teaspoon of stinky grain free Duck or Chicken grill on Jenny's food. I mix it in and she eats all of her food to make sure she gets all of that.

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Old 09-23-2012, 05:38 PM
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Talk to the vet about pancreatitis with regard to the lack of appetite. It may be an issue.

Have you considered home testing? It will save you money and vet trips and will give you the greatest knowledge and control over you dog's health.

Also, Walmart is a good resource for insulin and diabetic supplies.
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I tried to reply to this on my phone, but I don't think it posted, so sorry if a bunch of these show up later. :P

Piper weighs about 88 lbs. Tonight was the only time she hasn't eaten a full meal. She ate about half of it, and when she wouldn't eat any more, I ended up giving her a couple of treats to sort of make up for the rest (probably not the best, I know... How do I judge how much insulin to give her if she doesn't eat everything?). I don't think the problem is lack of appetite, but that she knows the injection is coming. When I gave her the injection tonight, she jumped and nipped at me. That's the first time she's done that as well. I've been reading other parts of the forum, and will try some of the tips there to hopefully make that part a little less painful for her. We did buy some chicken jerky treats that she really seems to like. Maybe I can try waiting a minute after she eats, then giving the jerky to distract her from the injection (although that was my thinking with doing it while she was eating :-/ ).

The vet clinic we bring her to is a low cost walk-in clinic. They did not do a full curve, just a single blood glucose test 5-6 hours after she ate (the first test was fasting, because we only fed at night before the diagnosis). We are considering testing at home, but aren't really sure how well that'd go over with her. She hates having her feet touched, and just doesn't like being "messed with" in general (she has to be muzzled at the vet). I've been trying to play with her ears and lips a little bit lately, but she's still suspicious and tries to hide.

Also, we have one of her puppies, and another one of them lives next door. Would they be more prone to developing diabetes since she has?
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What is the gauge of the needles in the syringes you are using and where are you giving the injections?
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Old 09-24-2012, 03:12 AM
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They are 30 gauge, 3/10cc, 5/16" length. The vet told us we could inject her just about anywhere on her body area (except for near the spine or midline), so I have been moving around from her shoulder area to down near her tail. I found the illustrations of where to inject on the other part of the forum, so I'm going to try near the flank this morning, and use the tenting method that I read about (I originally did it like that when we practiced with saline, but the vet told me not to pull the skin up like that).
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Wanted to pop in to say hello to you and Piper. You've found a great resource for information and support! Holli
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Thanks for all of the tips, everyone! It's good to know that I'm not the only one that's had trouble. Just browsing the threads at first, it seems like everyone has perfectly patient, easygoing dogs!

I think we're definitely going to have to get a muzzle for her, at least for a little bit. She was putting teeth on skin tonight. It took both my brother and I to do her injection tonight. I did it on the flank, and used the tenting method, and she didn't seem to feel it as much when I did the injection, but that also could've been because my brother was holding her head.

I was also looking at meters today, hoping that one day we might work up to testing at home, since I don't really trust the vet's "You don't worry about testing her, we'll do it all" approach. The One Touch Ultra Mini is only $9.99 with the reward card at CVS. Would that be a good one to get?

I went to the vet's office today and got a copy of the results of the CBC and urinalysis they did before they put her on insulin. I was also reading a little bit on the Cushings side of the forum, and it seems like a lot of the symptoms overlap. What are the differences in the tests that would distinguish one from the other?
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I like my Mini meter though I use a full size one for daily testing because the numbers on it read better.

If you want to look at a OneTouch Ultra2 Amazon sells them for about $20 including shipping. http://www.amazon.com/One-Touch-Ultr.../dp/B001A66QV0

It's the test strips that cost so much. Retail they run about $1 a strip. I buy mine on ebay for around 47 cents a strip including shipping. Just watch for factory sealed boxes and good expiration dates.

Most human meters will read your dog's blood sugar a bit lower than actual due to the difference in shape/size of a dog's red blood cell. But you can always compare your meter to your vet's lab machine later once you get the hang of testing.

If you plan to test somewhere with thicker skin, such as the rear/base of tail area, larger lancets can be helpful such as 26 gauge (higher the number the thinner the lancet).
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Everyone has their favorite meter(s). As mentioned, the test strips are what are expensive. My newest meter (have a small collection of 5) is the Walmart ReliOn Prime. The meter is under $17 and the strips are only 18 cents each.

http://www.walmart.com/browse/home-m..._values=418717
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