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Old 10-25-2012, 12:28 AM
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Default Munchie–11 yr. old MiniSchnauzer - Earned his wings

I am not new to this forum as I joined in 2009 when K9Cushings was temporarily here, however, I am brand new to dog diabetes. My Munchie’s IMS called me today with new lab results and dropped the diabetes bomb. Said his bg was 294. I definitely could use some moral support. My Munchie has a long list of health issues and has been on chemo since Dec. 2011. He is such a sweet, loving little guy and also a full time job. My head is spinning right now with the addition of the diabetes diagnosis.

Munchie will receive his first insulin injection tomorrow from his IMS and I will be getting some instruction. I asked for a Rx so I can purchase his insulin where it’s less expensive and I guess I need to buy some Karo syrup to have on hand in case he goes low. I have an extra One Touch Mini meter and some strips I’m going to take with me but I’m thinking I probably need to purchase the AlphaTrak 2 system if it is more accurate for a dog. I’ll be doing home testing and need to learn how to do a curve. Have so much to learn it's rather overwhelming. IMS told me I’ll have to bring Munchie in once a week until he is regulated which will be a 2 hr. round trip drive each time (and a bit of a hassle) but will do what I have to do to so he will be ok.

I do have a couple of questions. Munchie is on a UC Davis home cooked diet. He can’t tolerate chicken, nothing with soy…and the list goes on. It’s low fat for his hyperlipidemia but is mostly white rice with some fish and Balance IT vitamins thrown in. Fiber content is zilch. The poor guy has to be able to eat something and this diet is it. Seems to me that all the white rice is going to wreak havoc with his glucose control. Anybody have any suggestions??? Also, I divide his food up and feed him 3-4 small meals throughout the day as it’s easier on his tummy (GI problems). Got a feeling I will need to change this when he starts insulin. Help!!!!

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Old 10-25-2012, 12:46 AM
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Hi Louise, Just a quick Hello and welcome, Im off to work.
Im sure that you and Munchie ( great name) will cope fine with this new diabetes diagnosis. It will take a bit a jiggling about his other health issues no doubt, but it will and can be done.

Great that you are going to be home testing him, but just wanted to say the alphatrax is the most expensive machine and many of us use human machines and get good results. I use the one touch ultra too and find it very good, I have both the Mini and the full size machines and find they give reliable readings, slightly lower that the lab analysis, but definately comparable. Craig has written a really good post about the different meters and their pros and cons on the main forum site, so have a look at that maybe. Cant help you with the diet questions, but Im sure more expeienced members will be along soon to help.

Big hugs to you and Im sure you will great support from all of us here!
Pippa; Westie, diagnosed 17th April 2012 at 6.5 years old, 8.7kgs, 6.8 units canninsulin bd, Burns high oats food . Lives with George 9 (Black lab), Polly 19 (cat) and Basil 15 (diabetic mog for 5+ years). Im Jen and we live in West Wales where it rains too much!
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Old 10-25-2012, 12:54 AM
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Hi Jenny,

Thanks for the reply and the info! I will go read Craig's post about meters. My One Touch Mini is sounding pretty good right now since I already own it.

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Old 10-25-2012, 02:38 AM
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Hi and welcome

It sounds as though you have your hands full, but it also sounds as though you are going to cope once you have got your head around this. I am new to diabetes (dx August) so I would not give you any advice, we have not yet regulated. At the suggestion of the board (all hail Patty) I give my pooch breakfast and then 2 hours later another breakfast. Same at dinner. It has smoothed out his curve a bit and he thinks 4 meals a day is wonderful!

I use the Alpha Trak 2 but it is very expensive. Once we are regulated, I may well get a cheaper one and just use the AT2 when I curve or need a more accurate reading. Craig is your man for meters.

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Ann and Yuli - Yuli is 11 yrs and was dx Aug 2012. He lives with 1 other Tibetan Terrier aged 14. Yuli is 39 lb and is on 25 iu Caninsulin x 2. Got his sight back June 19 2014.
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Old 10-25-2012, 03:43 AM
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Thank you so much for sharing the 4 meal plan you're using for your baby. That's the perfect plan for Munchie. Good luck with the regulating.

I am so confused now. I know Munchie is going to be on NPH but that's about all I do know. The IMS was talking about doing some other test to confirm the diabetes and then decided against it when I told him Munch had started slurping up water, which he normally doesn't do. He has also lost some weight. He wasn't fasted for his last labs but even with food I don't think a normal dog would be at 294 or is my thinking wrong???

I am giving Munchie his breakfast around 7 a.m. so he can get his chemo meds and will be at the vet clinic at 10:30 a.m. I know he will get his first injection but not sure what time that will happen.

1, Do dogs normal get insulin in-betweel meals and could this end up being a problem today after we get back home?

2. I may reluctantly buy the first vial of insulin and whatever else is needed from the IMS as I am very concerned about leaving Munchie at home alone and unmonitored after his first dose of insulin while I go to get a prescription filled at WalMart or wherever I end up. Am I being too overly cautious and worrying too much about this?

He's been through so much healthwise since 2007 and I watch him like a hawk. Guess I'm just downright scared right now.

All feedback welcome and appreciated.

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Old 10-25-2012, 04:31 AM
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Hey there Louise, Although you definitely have your hands full from what you said already I think you will be able to manage this.

I think you would be okay to pop into Walmart on your way home. NPH usually takes 1- 1 1/2 hrs. to kick in and I imagine your vet will start him on a lower dose and then work his way up. Good to hear he would want Munchie back weekly to check the numbers.

A lot of folks here use the One Touch Ultra 2 meter. I think the smaller meters aren't as accurate. You could get that at Walmart too. Or if you wanted to just get some strips for the mini until the Alpha Track gets here, that would at least get you started on testing and take away some of the fear.

I also have a dog with two other conditions that make the diet unchangeable. Because of that I have incorporated the fast acting insulins (R and Humalog) into her daily routine. Takes a bit more testing, but for us it has made a bad situation manageable.

At this point though, just one foot in front of the other. A couple of days (3-5) on the starting dose and then you can do a home curve to see the results. In the meantime you could spot check at 6-8 hrs. out to see what is going on midday. That is usually.....when the insulin is at it's strongest so BGs are at their lowest.

*****You can also get syringes at Walmart much cheaper. You may need a script for themin your state though.

Hang in there!

Tara in honor of Ruby.
She was a courageous Boston Terrier who marched right on through diabetes, megaesophagus, and EPI until 14.
Lucky for both of us we found each other. I'd do it all again girly.
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Old 11-20-2012, 05:39 AM
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I think it was you who said you have spoken with Dr. Dodds before regarding Munchie's thyroid. When I corresponded with her back in early June, I mentioned Decker's diet (Science Diet Light) and she had recommended switching him to a grain free food given his cholesterol value was >520mg at the time. She had recommended staying away from any diet that contained wheat, corn or soy as the glutens would be difficult for his liver to handle. Her recommendation was to switch his diet to Wellness CORE Reduced Fat or Wellness Healthy Weight, or a Light formula of Taste of the Wild, Merrick, or Blue Buffalo. I realize triglycerides are not cholesterol but they are still high lipids. I think others have gotten a different opinion on whether a grain free diet makes a difference but thought I'd pass it along as it was helpful to us. Decker was switched to the Wellness Core Reduced Fat and has done very well on it. Hoping you are able to find a balance that works for Munchie.
Holli & Decker // diagnosed November 5th, 2011 // Journeyed to the bridge January 26th, 2013, surrounded by his family at home // 9 years old // Levemir insulin // Hypothyroid // C1-C5 cervical spinal lesion // weight 87 lbs // Run with the wind my sweet boy. Run pain free. Holding you close in my heart till we meet again!
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Old 11-20-2012, 06:55 AM
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I'll throw my 2˘ in for good measure. I can't imagine why anyone would want a diabetic eating mostly carbs that are rapidly digested and converted to glucose. Looks like you're trying to push water uphill with this approach to controlling diabetes.

As a note ... my first ex-wife
was a consulting Registered Dietitian who for a good while worked with a group of endocrinologists at a research hospital performing studies on obesity.She was always in awe of their lack of
knowledge about foods and nutrition.

Otis Farrell dx'd 12/10, best friend to his dad, Bill, for over 14 years. Left this world while in his dad’s loving arms 10/04/13. Sonny Farrell dx'd 1/14, adopted 5/15/14. Left this world while in his dad's loving arms 9/06/16. Run pain free, you Pug guys, til we're together again.
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Old 11-20-2012, 08:41 AM
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You would think I work for Honest Kitchen, but I truly love this stuff. Here is the Guaranteed Analysis for Zeal;

Guaranteed Analysis
•Protein, 35.5% min
•Fat, 8.5% min
•Fiber, 5.8% max
•Moisture, 8.9% max
•437 Calories per cup

The protein is high, but it is fish related. The fat is where you are about now, and there are NO carbs... you can add them separately if you find that you need them.

Abby has allergies, and this food has done wonders for her. No more Schnauzer bumps, cysts, licking paws. Also, her BG levels have done very good on this food.

Barb & Abby 12/24/1999-12/31/2013 ~ dx 5/10/2011 ~ Forever in my heart ~
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Old 11-20-2012, 02:40 PM
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I have to agree with Barb again on the comparison. I like being able to add my own carb as well when trying to balance insulin.
Patty and Ali 13.5yrs 47lbs diagnosed May '08 Ali earned her wings October 27, 2012, 4 months after diagnosis of a meningioma ~ Time is precious ~
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