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Old 09-01-2013, 12:02 PM
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Hi everyone just wanted to introduce myself & my little mutely! I'm Jen from Ireland and my little Westie Honey was just started on Caninsulin last Wednesday. She was on daily injections until today when she was switched to 12 hourly as its easier for me. We're still on a titrating dose the vet started her on 5iu/day and we're upping it by 1iu/day depending on her urine glucose tests in the morning. Her glucose levels weren't very high to begin with - she should be reading under 9 on the glucometer, but read as 15.7 so her vet started her on the Hills Prescription diet WD for diabetic dogs to see if we could regulate her glucose that way but 2 weeks later her next fasting blood showed a reading of 16.6 so we decided to start the insulin. All is going well but with the 12 hourly feeds this evening she was absolutely starving about 3 hours before she was actually due to be fed - I was quite upset looking at her - will this sort itself out that she won't be hungry like this? Shes now on 9iu in divided doses. Thanks x

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Old 09-01-2013, 12:25 PM
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Welcome to the forum!
Is she currently on 2.5 units twice a day? How much does she weigh?

The hunger can be due to the high blood sugar. Basically, diabetics need correct insulin to go along with the food. If there is insufficient insulin, and the blood glucose stays high, they can not get nutrition out of the food. Their brains tell them they are starving because they are not able to get the nutrition out of their food. This should resolve itself as you, and your vet, determine a proper dosage.

My lunch is on the table, so I better run. I'm sure others will come along shortly to welcome you.

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Old 09-01-2013, 12:32 PM
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Is she currently on 2.5 units twice a day? How much does she weigh?

The hunger can be due to the high blood sugar. Basically, diabetics need correct insulin to go along with the food. If there is insufficient insulin, and the blood glucose stays high, they can not get nutrition out of the food. Their brains tell them they are starving because they are not able to get the nutrition out of their food. This should resolve itself as you, and your vet, determine a proper dosage.

My lunch is on the table, so I better run. I'm sure others will come along shortly to welcome you.

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Hi Craig she's currently on 4.5 units twice today but I have to increase it by 1 unit tomorrow so that'll be 5 units twice a day (10iu in total) with daily urine glucose testing & back to the vet in 2 weeks for a fasting glucose test. I just wasn't sure should I have given her anything to eat earlier as she wasn't due her insulin. She's fine now - ate most of her food & now having a snooze. She currently weighs 9.2kg - she lost 2kg in the last few weeks before this was diagnosed.
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Old 09-01-2013, 01:14 PM
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Hi Craig she's currently on 4.5 units twice today but I have to increase it by 1 unit tomorrow so that'll be 5 units twice a day (10iu in total) with daily urine glucose testing & back to the vet in 2 weeks for a fasting glucose test. I just wasn't sure should I have given her anything to eat earlier as she wasn't due her insulin. She's fine now - ate most of her food & now having a snooze. She currently weighs 9.2kg - she lost 2kg in the last few weeks before this was diagnosed.
OK, I understand the dosage. 9.2kg = 20 pounds, so sounds like your vet is just about where most would be starting out. A very loose rule-of-thumb we see listed is to start a pup at about .2 units per pound.

I'm sure you've read that most on the forum home test for blood glucose because the urine strips don't provide much info. Here is a link that I think is pretty good: http://www.2ndchance.info/diabetesdog.htm Remember, in the States we measure blood glucose in mg/dL, and the rest of the world uses mmol/l. Easy conversion just multiply mmol/l by 18 to get mg/dL.

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Old 09-01-2013, 01:14 PM
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Welcome!

Yes, the hunger and thirst are directly associated with the high blood sugar and should start to get better as you get closer to her "perfect" insulin dosage. Keep in mind that it takes time for the body to adjust to new insulin doses. Usually a couple days before a change is noted in BG....so raising it by 1 unit everyday could be a bit on the fast side.

I also started testing my dog, Elliot, using urine strips. I wish I had started testing his blood instead. It gives much more accurate information than the urine strips. In fact, b/c of the urine strips (and some poor monitoring by my vet) I ended up passing his "perfect" dose and giving him too much insulin. I wasn't part of this forum yet....or I would have known how easy and common it is for parents to test their pup's blood. Plus you will be able to do your own curves and save a trip to vet!

Many people on this sight give their dogs small treats during the day that don't have too much of an impact on BG levels.....steamed white chicken breast, frozen green beans, ice cubes. Of course in small amounts and not so much to ease hunger (b/c eventually she won't be hungry between meals) but b/c we love to give our pups treats

This forum has been an amazing help to me over the past months since Elliot's diagnosis. You are in good hands Best of luck!
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Old 09-01-2013, 07:46 PM
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Another question: has Honey been spayed / neutered? Unspayed dogs can have difficulties with diabetes http://www.caninsulin.com/neutering-diabetic-dogs.asp

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Old 09-02-2013, 02:13 AM
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Hello and welcome!

We started out just urine testing but progressed to blood testing (entirely due to this forum and much to our vet's surprise!). It does give much better info and is absolutely worth doing if you can. I would never have predicted that I would get comfortable jabbing needles into my dog but you can sometimes surprise yourself. (I also thought at first that this forum was perhaps a bit over the top in stressing the benefits of blood testing - but I am a complete convert now!)

I wondered if she is still on the diabetic food or if you have switched back to whatever you fed before. I just ask because many on here (including us) do not feed "diabetic" food and find that our dogs manage ok without it. If your previous food suited your dog better it might be worth considering switching back (gradually) and seeing if that satisfied her better.

Has your vet suggested doing a glucose curve - when you blood test at fasting then every two hours through the day so you can see how her blood sugar goes up and down through the day? That can be very useful and is helpful to have done four or five days after changing the dose. (Of course if you test at home you can do it yourself any time at a fraction of the cost).

For the hunger, try snacks like green beans or protein like chicken, avoiding carbohydrate or sugar (including in things like apples and carrots). For treats we use puffed jerky (dried lung or something) which is smelly but they love it and it doesn't seem to impact Eddie's sugar levels.

There is a lot to learn about this disease and a huge amount of help available on this site. It can all be quite overwhelming at first so have a read and ask any questions, as chances are, someone on here has already come across whatever the issue is and will have some suggestions about it.
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Just wanted to add my welcome to the board! You'll find lots of knowledgeable people here that aren't afraid to share it! They have been so helpful to me since Vinny was diagnosed! Within the first week, I was already blood testing at home because I could see the benefits of doing it and I didn't want to run to the vet so often!!

There is a lot of info here and the first couple of weeks can be overwhelming, but you'll get the hang of everything and ask questions! It's amazing to me that most things are not new around here...someone has experienced at least something similar!

Welcome again!
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Old 09-02-2013, 11:44 AM
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Hi everyone - thanks very much for all your posts. Craig - Honey is a rescue from a puppy farmer & she was three when I got her so I had her spayed immediately.

I've still giving her the diabetic food and she like it so I'm hoping this will add to her progress. I mentioned the blood glucose curve to my vet but she doesn't feel the need for it so I don't know. I would like to be able to do the blood glucose monitoring myself but I'm not sure how Honey would tolerate it. Where do you take the blood from is it the ear?

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Old 09-02-2013, 11:56 AM
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First: GREAT PHOTO!

As to blood testing, there are many locations members use. I'm one of the few that use the ear, but many use the inner lip. Others use various places on the leg, or near the butt. Here's a few videos of testing on the forum http://k9diabetes.com/bgtestvideos.html and you can search YouTube for probably 100s more.

Craig
ps. Glad to hear she has been spayed. That could have made things difficult.
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