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Old 06-21-2018, 11:01 AM
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Ugh I don’t have good advice for you here on the pancreatitis or aggression as it’s not something I’ve dealt with. They do make silicone anti-bite muzzles and I know some people have had to use them with dogs that just aren’t good with testing and injections. It’s obviously not ideal though. And some people put their dog (if small dog) in the sink for the injection because it helps to control them in a smaller space. Could it be due to the cataracts? Maybe she wasn’t totally blind before and now she is and it’s making her snappy because she’s being surprised?? Or maybe it’s pain/discomfort from the pancreatitis making her snappy? Hoping if you get the pancreatitis under control she’ll mellow out. I hope someone has some better advice for you. I’m sorry!

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Old 06-21-2018, 11:27 AM
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As Lolo mentioned maybe the cataracts completed total blindness .

For a dog who was never aggressive something is definitely not correct

Pancreatitis if still occurring is extremely painful . You may want to double check with the test for pancreatitis to check if its still ongoing

I am not sure its worth a cushings test and go down that road unless you are seeing most of the symptoms and one of them is excessive hunger which you are seeing the opposite . You might want to join our sister site K9 cushings to ask their opinion

Now i dont know if i mentioned this but i do feed jesse one meal a day and did that because of pancreatic issues which seemed to end with this method . Cant be sure if thats why . So you could temporarily go with one meal and see if your dog will at least eat that comfortably

As lolo mentioned a muzzle maybe a good temporary solution until things get better . Not sure if you should have that ending discussion because i could not know your situation. Thats just a personal choice for your family to discuss
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Old 06-21-2018, 08:16 PM
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I would muzzle her - it is humane and you can’t have her attacking you or the kids. I feel like she is full of fear. It could be the blindness. I would just reassure her and stay calm. It could be a bit of panic that she can’t see. Or she could have something neurological going on. I wouldn’t rule it out. Pancreatitis is painful but it is usually belly pain and general feeling bad. You might want to get her some pain meds if you suspect that it is indeed pain.
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Old 06-21-2018, 11:07 PM
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Seems to me it's an indicator of a problem definitely but hard to know what it is. Things that come to mind as possibilities:

- Something neurological and these are perhaps more like a type of seizure - if they don't seem to be triggered by anything.

- Pain absolutely is a possibility, especially if the aggression is all related to her being handled. Could be almost anywhere in her body or even perhaps a nerve problem like shooting nerve pain that doesn't have an obvious source.

- Since she was already blind, I think the cataracts might only be involved to the extent that her eyes may be painful. Cataracts cause terrible inflammation that generally can be controlled with relatively inexpensive drops so she would need to go on those regardless.

To me, a lot would depend on whether she suddenly becomes aggressive when no one is handling or touching her or if it only occurs when she's being petted or handled. If only when petted or handled, then some kind of pain seems most likely.

I'm sorry... it sounds like she is in a tough spot. Perhaps have a specialist anesthetize her and do a thorough exam, x-rays, ultrasound?

Right now, her quality of life seems likely to be poor if it can't be resolved...

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Old 06-21-2018, 11:07 PM
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Thank you. I'm going to take her in again. Something just isn't right. We have tested for Cushings twice previously. Negative results so I hate to travel down that rabbit hole again.
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Old 06-22-2018, 02:53 PM
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I read 8 or 9 articles on sudden aggression, and all of them said pain is usually the first thing that causes this.
There are other causes, but that sounds like the first thing to assess.
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Old 07-28-2018, 03:01 PM
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I was talking to my vet yesterday and she was complimenting me on keeping Luna regulated at home. It brought to mind how much of that praise should go to this lovely forum.

An update: Luna had a complete turn around after my last post. The aggression seemed to disappear overnight. She was right back to her happy self again. A week later I noticed that the white part of her eyes looked red. We discovered that she had uveitis. We treated her twice daily with eyedrops and her eyes are much improved.

A couple of days ago she seemed to be confused. She knows every square inch of this house, but she seemed to bump into every available wall or door.

I took her to the vet and discovered her liver numbers are worse then they have every been. She has always been sky high, but now she is off the charts. They think it might be cancer, hepatitis, or infection. She is currently on heavy antibiotics. Vet believes it is hepatitis and it is untreatable because of her diabetes.

It looks bad. My heart is breaking. She looks so good, it's hard to imagine she is so sick.

She has been so patient with me with my frequent blood sugar tests. I thought we were working hard together to be one of those successful stories where the dog lives several years after diagnosis. We are not even at 6 months.

Luna is our first dog. I can't imagine it gets any easier, but this end of life stuff really sucks.
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Old 07-28-2018, 03:35 PM
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Actually i have been giving jesse Milk thistle as a supplement for an older gal . It has unique way of helping the liver and maybe it could help luna

since she still feels good i would think there is hope for a turn around
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Old 07-28-2018, 04:14 PM
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Thank you.

She has been taking milk thistle since her liver diagnosis two years ago. It has really helped, as well as being on hepatic dog prescription dog food.

I'm hoping for the best, but the vet is very negative about her prognosis.
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https://www.petmd.com/dog/conditions...nine_hepatitis
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