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Old 06-28-2010, 09:34 PM
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I don't think they would have a lot of calories and should be mostly protein.

Ew.... Although I'm willing to scoop up earwigs - unlike a lot of other things - they are nasty. We have "house centipedes" that are far worse. You can sneeze at them and they fall apart but they are fast fast fast and I'm still not touchin' em with my hands or even a kleenex.

If my husband isn't available to rescue me, it's spray them or vacuum them unless something is really small!

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Hi Carolyn,

When I had Alfie on w/d dry I swear he was a complete nightmare. He would cry during the night to go outside but its was sticks he wanted out to eat.
I started adding some green veg to his w/d, usually green beans and broccoli or some cabbage. I didnt cure the stick eating but it did fill him up more and stopped him wanting out during the night.
I wasn't home testing at the time he was on w/d but I spoke to a nutritionist at Hills and she was the 1 that reccomnended the green veg as it doesn't impact the blood sugar a whole lot. Now I took her word for it but as I wasn't testing I dont really know for sure but I think I read on some1 elses thread that they also added green veg to bulk out food as it doesn't cause a significant increase in bg.

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Old 06-29-2010, 10:17 AM
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Hi Allison,

Ever since Grete'ls been on w/d she seems always hungry. She was on the w/d wet and dry mixed for quite a while, but then due to high triglycerides the vet switched her to all dry. I think her hunger has gotten even worse since she's on the all dry, even though the calorie count is the same. Unfortunately, I can never add anything to her diet without taking into consideration her bladder stone issues, so I have to be very careful about that in addition to her being diabetic. Most often those two conditions are at odds with one another.

I'm placing a call to the vet to see what else I might be able to give her a little bit of that would take the edge off the appetite and make her feel more satisfied without messing up everything else.

Isn't it awful to see your dog acting so hungry and not being able to give them what they're hungry for? Someone else said it here on the forum too, but I sometimes just long for the days when I just fed her the food that she loved - plopped it in her dish in the morning without another thought. She picked at it throughout the day and usually had it gone by evening and that was it. Got her little treats for being a good girl - could pick those up at the grocery store, whatever kind struck my fancy. Wow, that seems like centuries ago!!

I guess I should ask the question of anyone reading this if any of you have a dog who is both diabetic and has bladder stone problems, what do you feed your dog, not only food, but treats too. I'd be curious to know.


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No, I haven't had them both at the same time but have had springers with stones. Have you tried adding some pumpkin or oatmeal? It's filling and lots of folks here use it as part of their diet
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Hi Peggy,

The vet had told me I could give her pumpkin and not put her at risk for more stones, but that was before she was diagnosed with diabetes, so I didn't know if I could still give her that or not. She really loved it and I'd like to be able to give that to her again. Oatmeal sounds like it would be filling too and I'm sure she'd love that as well. Now, I know this is going to be a really dumb question, but can I assume that you mix the oatmeal with water to make it like you would for yourself to eat?

I'll run it by the vet and see what she says. Hopefully yes. I think even a little bit of something would make her more satisfied. I hate to see her so hungry all the time.

Thanks for the suggestions!
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Can the oatmeal or pumpkin be given as a mid-day snack or is it best to include with morning & evening meal?
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Yes you should mix it with water and it should be included with the meal. Margaret gives Lucy a mid day snack to hold her over until dinner. It keeps her BG level. It depends on the dog and its curve.
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Every dog responds a little differently to things like oatmeal and pumpkin. Some get a huge rise and others digest it more slowly. I would definitley want to know how the addition affects blood sugar levels.

I think if I had a choice I'd try the pumpkin first if you're just looking to use it as a "hunger filler."
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Continuing the "food" discussion, I've noticed the last few days Gretel hasn't seemed as excited for me to put her food down. (To recap, she was switched a month ago from canned & dry w/d mixed to all dry.) This is totally not like her - usually she's dancing around my feet as I'm getting it ready.

Anyway, I mix the dry food with the Tricitrate solution mixed with about 1/2 cup of warm water, then add her fish oil capsule.

This morning she actually stayed in the living room while I was preparing her food and then came out when she heard me put it down for her. She took a bite, actually carried it away from the dish into the hallway, ate it, then came back for another bite and did the same thing. Normally she dives right in and gobbles it right down in the blink of an eye. She ate about half of it this way and then quit - didn't want any more.

Because she's been eating bugs at night to supplement her diet I thought maybe one had stung her inside her mouth. I looked but didn't see anything obvious. I also wondered if she's not liking the fish oil capsule - it does seem to cause her to gag a little bit sometimes. She didn't start with the fish oil until she was changed over to all dry food, so maybe she's just associating that capsule with the dry food and is trying to avoid it, one time she actually fished it out and laid it on the floor beside her dish.

So now I needed to figure out what to do about how much insulin to give. I was ready to give her 1/2 of her normal dose since she ate about 1/2 of her food, but I decided to try some of the canned w/d of which I had 2 cans left. I chopped it up and put it down and she ate it immediately. She ate enough that I could give her her normal insulin dosage, then followed it up with a treat as usual - which she also ate with gusto. It's a hard treat so if she had a sore mouth, I would have thought that would have been difficult for her to chew, but it wasn't.

So I'm left to think that she just plain doesn't like the dry w/d anymore, which is a dilemma, because she's not only diabetic, but has had bladder stones, so her diet must take not only both of those, but elevated triglycerides into account too.

I was certain that I had read somewhere on this forum that at least one person had a dog with both diabetes and bladder stone issues. I would so like to know what they are feeding their dog. I'm very interested in the Blue Buffalo after reading so many good things about it here, and even wrote to the company explaining Gretel's issues and asking if they made anything that would be good for her. Haven't received an answer yet, probably won't till next week.

Sorry this is so long, I just can't seem to write a short one, no matter how hard I try!! Hope to hear from someone soon.

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Old 07-02-2010, 12:47 PM
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Hey Caroline - sorry to hear of Gretals issues! I am one of the Blue Buffalo fans and have their phone number in case you want to give them a call to get the answers you need. Their hours are 9 to 5 pacific time & the number is (800) 919-2833.

Good luck - hope you get this straightened out quick!
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