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Old 07-02-2010, 01:02 PM
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It could be the fish oil that's the problem. You could try giving her food without the fish oil for a few days and see if that makes a difference.

Or she may have only liked WD when some wet was mixed into it.

You can figure out which one it is by experimenting - go back to what she ate before and see if she readily eats it. If so, take out the wet food but don't add the fish oil. See if she likes that as well. If that's okay too, add the fish oil and see what happens.

I haven't gone back to look so was wondering why you eliminated the canned food.

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Old 07-02-2010, 01:14 PM
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Coolgram, you may be referring to my post. Buddy was put on Hypoallergenic dry about 4 years ago because of major paw and ear infections. He was dx's January of this year and he had many setbacks and complications including acute ketoacidosis and acute pancreatitis. He was then switched to MediCal Gastro (dry and wet) and all the time, the sores on his paws were getting bigger and nastier.

Then more complications about 1+month ago and we decided to go ahead and have an ultrasound of the glandular system. This revealed bladder stones and cholestasis (sludge in the gallbladder ducts), however it tested negative for the pancreas.

I had heard about this w/d diet which is supposed to help with the stones however, I decided to stop making the vet richer by buying his food and researched grain free food, which would not only satisfy him but free him of infections which severely impacted his bg's. He is now on Horizon Legacy for adult - grain free with a little MediCal weight control wet. He has been free of ear and paw infections for about 2+weeks now. The dosage for meds for the cholestasis was about 4 times what his little body could tolerate and made his severely sick and we had to suspend this for a while. He is now back on at a much reduced dosage and all is going well

As for the bladder stones, my understanding is that it is quite common in dogs and the vet who did the ultrasound suggested that sometimes they may pass them in their urine. Another vet suggested that I try and increase his water intake by adding it to his food. Since Buddy was not a big drinker during the day, a friend suggested that I serve him 1/3 of fresh cold water with 1 little teaspoon of tuna (albacore packed in water) 3 times per day. By increasing his water consumption, he now pees normally. In addition to that water and small pieces of tuna, he gets egg whites and small pieces of chicken as treats.

As a precaution, I also test his urine once a week with the Reagent strip to check for UTI and PH levels. 2 weeks ago, I was lucky to catch the beginning of an infection and a quick visit to the vet for antibiotics, it cleared within 2 days but I continued with the full course of antibiotics.

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Old 07-02-2010, 01:21 PM
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Lori thanks for the phone number. If I don't get a response to my email by Monday I'll call them.

Natalie, the vet changed her to all dry w/d because of her high triglycerides, and also added the fish oil at the same time. I did place a call to the vet this morning but she's out until Tuesday. They did check with one of the other vets in the practice who is familiar with Gretel and she suggested adding water to the dry - which I already do, or mixing just a spoonful of the canned to it, which I'll try tonight. As I'm typing Gretel is out in the kitchen licking her empty bowl, so I know it wasn't because she wasn't hungry that she didn't want to eat this morning.

I also thought that maybe if I punctured the capsule and just put the fish oil right on her food she would eat it. That gel capsule does dissolve, but I think it still gets caught in her throat sometimes before it has a chance to dissolve. I don't fancy smelling that fishy smell , but if nothing else works I may give that a try.

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Old 07-02-2010, 01:30 PM
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Thanks Louise for replying. I have never heard of the Horizon Legacy food, don't know if we have that around here or not, but I'll check around. I too sometimes have to wonder if the vets just try to make us think that what they are selling is the best thing for our pets, when in reality there may be much better brands out there.

I figure if I research several other brands, then I can show her the information and have a dialog with her about what would be best for Gretel. I want whatever is the best for her, but I'd also like her to enjoy her food too.

As you know too, it's really hard to balance these different conditions our dogs have. The vet told me that Gretel is one of her more "complicated" patients. Lucky us!

I'll keep you posted, and thanks again for your input.
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We always just punctured them and squirted the oil directly on Chris' food.
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Mildred's salmon oil capsule gets punctured, squirted, then mixed into her food too.
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I'm going to puncture the capsule and squirt it on her food tonight. We'll see if that makes a difference. Thanks all!

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CoolGram, I also puncture the capsule of Vit E and just pour it over the food and it works well.

As for the Horizon Legacy, it is available in the USA and here is a link of stores in PA

http://www.horizonincdatabase.com/map/

I know not only is it good for his allergies but he no longer shows desperate signs of hunger like he did on all the other foods that I tried.

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Old 07-02-2010, 03:26 PM
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Louise,

I checked out the link you sent and was surprised that the Horizon Legacy food is sold at the very place I get Gretel groomed, only 5 miles from home!

Other than the episode this morning where she didn't want to eat, Gretel is always acting like she's still hungry - it makes me feel so bad for her. I'm sure hoping I can settle on something that is good for her but yet satisfies her. Thank you so much for your help.

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You are quite welcome.

I hope it works as well for Gretel as it does for Buddy and Cleo. That food and the egg whites, zuchinni, chicken pieces as treats in addition to the water with the tuna do the job. By the way, there is such a difference in the ingredients that it took a little over a week to transition them fully and their poop was a little soft for a while.

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