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Old 07-06-2014, 11:31 PM
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Not back to normal yet, but we have achieved something other than the pudding-ey or liquid-ey diarrhea! We'll have to see how it all plays out after we resume our normal diet in a day or two, but last night Snowball was really beside himself. . .with excitement! because he manipulated me into a bedtime snack (aka BG was a bit low and he insisted it would go lower without sustenance. . . ) So at 84 I went ahead and caved in and gave him an ounce and a half of plain fat free yogurt. Sprinkled additional probiotics, and voila!, snacky time for the sad little starving Min Pin.

I expected some higher numbers with that, but they weren't horrible, and I told myself he really could use that yogurt for some good buggies in his belly and for the added calories.

He still had diarrhea at morning pre-breakfast poos. When he first got up he pee peed and then had a little diarrhea followed by some poo that looked as though it was trying to form. The best description I had for my mom was it was like those 4th of July snakes the babies and I did on the driveway this year. Skinnier, more like a pencil, and definitely soft, but not just applesauce-ey or runny. I had to haul him to Sunday School again because my husband disappeared this morning, but we have a tiny church, and our Pastor told me last week that Snowball is "family". So he had his breakfast and AM shot there. When he pottied after eating he had some diarrhea liquid, and I was hoping (but still a bit worried) that we might be coming to the end of getting out all the ickiness. He also had a little accident in his pet taxi while he was waiting for Sunday School to end so he could get his breakfast on.

When we got home this afternoon I decided to give just a little Pepto Bismol to try to reinforce the pumpkin (I increased his breakfast and supper amounts today). I figured I would try a day or so of that before loading up for the vet. So we had supper tonight, and after supper he pottied, and we had more of the formed soft stuff. Most certainly not back to normal yet, but I am happy it is not a pile of mooshy diarrhea. Also glad I didn't constipate the ol' boy. I will add the pumpkin for another day or two and just deal with the slightly elevated numbers. Really not too much of a big deal. The yogurt gave him a little kick in the BG pants, but the pumpkin is not horrid. Then hopefully when I get back to things as usual the poop will be okay and revert back to diarrhea. I have a sense that even with intervention, if he had some significant issue causing the diarrhea it would not resolve so I am feeling better. Of course he looks the same as always. Hungry and perturbed at the lip-jabbing and lack of tasty morsels.

And I was noticing tonight that when he pees his pee pee stream is nice and strong and aimed somewhere besides down his front or back leg. And he can get into position and hold himself up to poo with no problem. Last night I skimmed back over some of what I posted when I first arrived here, and it really drove home how significantly he has improved over the last couple of weeks. Sure makes me feel better. Now to master that poo!
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Old 07-07-2014, 08:36 AM
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Well crum, Crum, CRUM. This morning we had even more of the forming poo, but after breakfast we had diarrhea again. I know Pepto indications are one to two days. We have only done one. . .trying to figure whether or not to continue with it another day.

I did not give the pumpkin this morning since it can act on both diarrhea and constipation. Didn't want it to be working the wrong way. Pondering whether subQs might help. They help with kidney related diarrhea. . .

On a positive note, he still looks unphased by the diarrhea, and still getting plenty of liquids in him.
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Old 07-07-2014, 08:46 AM
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i'd ask the vet for some flagyl. it works almost immediately. I know its an antibiotic, but . there will be times when you've got to provide them anyway.
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Old 07-07-2014, 10:05 AM
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Yes! Excellent suggestion!!! I have the call in. They are in surgery right now, but the front desk pulled Snowball's chart and have a message to give me a call and/or get a Rx ready. Hope that goes well and is not a "We need you to bring him in" (AKA "Give us some money!"). Since Flagyl is pretty harmless I hope there is no problem.
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Old 07-07-2014, 11:09 AM
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I've never had an issue with it and have not needed to give it the full 14 days. My vet said a good 3 days should do the trick unless there is a parasite or something causing the issue
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Old 07-07-2014, 12:03 PM
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Oh, yes! I meant to say "no problem with them Rxing some"!

I actually just spent 45 minutes on the phone with them. Tell me that they are not invested in trying to be helpful. The said some Flagyl would be okie dokie but answered my question and confirmed that if there was some underlying more serious problem neither the pumpkin nor the Pepto intervention would have made the poo begin to from the way it was. It would have just stayed diarrhea and gotten worse. So it is not as they they helped a wee bit and just couldn't battle it.

Like me, they suspect stress colitis, and they said he is not danger (based on his clinical presentation. . .well my description. . .and knowing I am a bit of a protective Bear of her little cub and doing a lovely job of caring for him ), and they would think that in another day or two he would be better. They said I could get the Flagyl Rx now or wait. And I can continue pumpkin and/or Pepto or wait. They said there is really nothing I can do wrong right now. I think it helps that I know he is drinking enough fluids to stay hydrated since I mix them into his food/soup!

During our conversation she actually said he is a "miracle" and discussed how anyone who had seen his chart that day I took him in would have believed he was dying and wouldn't make it another day. We laughed because I told her I can't even imagine the things they thought or said after I walked out with my Rxs, bag of fluids, and little bag of Min Pin skin and bones. I imagine they felt quite sorry for me. She was laughing and said something really must be at work because they definitely thought he was not going to survive. Ahem.

And when I told her about his NOC glucose being lower than his daytime glucose she said he certainly is his own unique self. She even mentioned the idea of cutting out carbs and going no-insulin. I can talk more about that later, but let's just say I was not quite convinced, and she was not pushing it. She just wondered about it instead of trying to push diet and increase to 1u whether or not going the other way was the thing to do because he might be producing insulin? I mentioned honeymooning and such, and she was open to whatever I want to do with him, but she was just flabbergasted that he is only on 0.5u and still is getting lows where he needs some glucose-boosting. Since he was off the meter (over 750 or so ) in their office. She said 2.5 would be the starting dose for his weight. I didn't argue since we have already been through it being too high once I found my way here and heard from you all. But I did say something about initially getting the "wrong" insulin, and she said, "yes". Mmhmm. Trying to snuff out my Snowball with R!!!

Okay, gotta' go pick up the toddler from VBS. So I guess I may hold on the Flagyl for another day or so, but she said no problem to get me a script.
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Old 07-07-2014, 12:35 PM
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yes isnt it just amazing if given the opportunity how well they can come back from the brink
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Old 07-07-2014, 02:28 PM
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Oh yeeesss, I am a ginormous anxiety freak-ball who decided to call the vet and request to have the Flagyl on hand 'just in case' I found I couldn't wait in the middle of the night.

Even though they confirmed that his poo wouldn't show improvement with form, no matter how much pumpkin or Pepto I gave him if it was something unresponsive/untreatable by those, and I think I recall her saying it was a normal course to go from diarrhea to a bit formed and back and forth again, especially if he was still a little stressed and maybe out of kilter. . .but this afternoon we had teensy form at beginning of poo and then the rest liquidy.

So back-and-forth normality or not, I am going to pick up the Flagyl in a bit so I have it. Even if I don't use it this time I will feel reassured knowing it is sitting there.
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Old 07-07-2014, 03:42 PM
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I started to say that maybe you should get it and that way you have it - it is a good thing to have on hand.
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Got it. I don't feel as pressured to use it right away, but I feel some relief knowing I have it in my bag.
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