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Old 01-08-2019, 06:54 PM
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Unhappy Athena. Newly DX: Diabetes

https://www.k9cushings.com/forum/sho...ol-now-too-low
If you will please read where it says long overdue update that will pretty much bring everybody up-to-date



Just posting the link first post when we were in the Cushing’s forum Athena was originally diagnosed with Cushing’s a few years ago and just this past Saturday was diagnosed with diabetes for anyone that wants any background it’s a pretty long post but you could just read my last entry to catch up on everything I would appreciate anyone’s input on doing the curve which we have to complete this soon. There seems to be a wide variety of thoughts on exactly when the curve should be done she will have only been on her insulin one week this coming Saturday it is my understanding that you should wait at least two weeks before doing this curve test

We would be grateful for any ones input on everything I apologize for not writing more and it’s been a tough couple of months between losing our oldest dog in December and just a few weeks later Athena is diagnosed with yet something else as serious as diabetes

Thank you to all we love our dogs and we would move the stars and the moon to do anything for them it is just been really tough
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Old 01-09-2019, 05:05 AM
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Hi and welcome to the forum to you and Athena.

To answer you question about the frequency of doing a 12 hour curve, it normally takes a week for a dog’s body to adjust to insulin increases. The goal is to slowly increase insulin, based on the results of the curve, until a dog’s Blood Glucose is in the 150 - 250 range for most of the day.

Let us know a few basics about Athena... weight, type and dose of insulin, food and if you plan on home testing..

http://www.k9diabetes.com/ Is a good place to start on learning how to manage Athena’s diabetes.
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Old 01-09-2019, 06:10 AM
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Hi Mike. Thank you for responding
We are doing all testing at home we received our Alpha track to meet her the other day and we have all our supplies here
Athena has been placed on Humulin N 14 units. We feed her and dose her at 0630 and 1830 daily. Her first dose started on Saturday, January 5 in the evening
It was on that Saturday morning that we found out she was diabetic with her number coming back at 534
We have since texted her a few times at home and she has a range from anywhere to 445 to 665.
We were trying to wait and give her a good week to 10 days of insulin before initiating the curve testing although we read some people wait two weeks. I’m going to call our vet today and verify again if they actually want it done in one week that would mean we would do it this coming Saturday
Are dogs were already eating very good holistic dog food That we ordered by mail mostly because Athena has some food allergies but we just recently lost our oldest dog axle on December 15. He crossed over the bridge at the age of 12 he was an American bulldog /Pit And are only boy and our biggest baby he was a true Scooby Doo in his personality what prompted us to take Athena to the vet for a quick check up was because she had been basically despondent since we lost axle We were thinking maybe something was going on with her Cushing’s or that she was just so upset at the loss of her body but then something just kept bothering me I got a feeling that something else wasn’t right with her
Sure enough that’s when we found out she was diabetic. My last entry into the canine Cushing’s form with my ongoing coaching through the details everything that we went through that Saturday
She had lost 8 pounds by the time we took her to the vet from the time that we lost axle on December 15. She has a very large Labrador she’s not the smaller kind Both her parents and grandmother were large slabs as well she will never be one of the 60 or 70 pound lab more in the area of 80 to 90 pounds. Currently she weighs 114 And mind you wish she had already lost 8 pounds. Her weight has always been something we have battled nonstop we have closely monitored her food we have done everything under the sun and couldn’t get this poor girl to drop a pound but is soon as we lost axle she immediately lost 8 pounds and has steadily been losing weight. Part of that may also be that we have now gradually moved her to the WD diet that the vet prescribed her which she is adjusting to the very well when axle passed away Athena who would eat the kitchen sink if you gave it to her pretty much stopped eating with the exception of a few bites enoughto take her pain medication as she has joint problems and arthritis in her back legs which stemmed from having Lyme disease as a puppy and then Cushing’s and of course her weight didn’t help her
The people that we got her from when she was a puppy failed to tell us about her medical issues we found out when we took her to the vet and of course their answer where we got her from was to bring her back we will put her down and you can have another puppy they had some nerve!!!! They were just unbelievably terrible people in our opinion all we wanted was to know her medical problems so we knew best how to help her and I failed to tell us so much but we later found out plenty either way she has always been a very happy dog and the level of our lives just like the others and we have done everything under the sun to try to get her healthy as possible but it has been one challenge after another
Her weight coming off now while we had hoped it would be a different way is actually going to help her because we have not been able to get the weight off of her regardless of what we did
She has been very good about eating the new food we are slowly introducing and the new treats that she has to have versus the other ones. She is no longer looking to eat everything in sight although she still drinks a lot of water

She has been excellent and taking her insulin shots and having her sticks done to check her blood/numbers.

We were concerned about switching her over to Hill’s the beauty but we read reviews and did all the research and it seems like people are happy with it but we have always been extremely cautious with dog food due that all the recalls and problems and we always fed them a holistic diet mostly because of her allergies. Our other two doggies which where axle and the baby which is Lucky had no problem eating what we fed Athena they did great with it Which worked out

We are hoping she doesn’t have any reaction to this food but so far so good and she’s actually eating it well but again we are going very slow switching her over so as to not make her more sick

Athena is a silver lab and of course we had no idea some of the issues that came along with that but either way she has been given the greatest life ever just like all of our dogs and we would move the moon and the stars to do anything for them any suggestions anyone has are completely welcomed

We have a new vet now that we are very happy with But our previous to that was pretty much a losing battle and we believe it’s slowed Athena”s progress down And they almost nearly killed her when they tried to put her on Veteroyl the first time But we fought them on the dosage to start her with and thank God we did because had they done it their way she would’ve been dead thankfully we jumped ship from that vet and found a wonderful new vet and amazing staff to care for our dogs and they have been nothing short of wonderful with us

We are all grieving the loss of our boy axle right now and we are having to focus on Athena and this whole new path in her life and giving her the best chance is possible for success and managing yet another condition that she has landed

Thank you so much for your response we look forward to hearing from others
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Old 01-09-2019, 08:17 AM
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Hi and welcome

It is challenging managing both cushings and diabetes and its not that unusual to see a dog going diabetic after being cushing . Many have done adequately and got it to work .

As mike sugested regulation isnt that complicated . At 14 units for a 114 pound dog is a bit light for a starting dose but i dont have a problem with that as my jesses dose ended up under a normal starting dose for a dog her size

Slow and steady usually wins the race . Some dogs do need 2 weeks for a dose to settle but for most a week is the standard . A large dog like yours may see dose adjustments of one unit but could go as high as 2 units if the curve is quite high coupled with some health concerns
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Old 01-10-2019, 11:35 AM
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Thanks Jesse the vet called yesterday and I actually wanted us to do the curb today so I’ve been up since early this morning and we are in the process of a 12 hour curve test but Athena’s numbers are all over the map with the lowest one being 499
I hope this alpha track 2 is an accurate device we can’t even use the regular pen we just have to use the needle to stick her because that pen is pretty much useless
Is it normal to still see high levels in the first week for taking insulin I know things are different between a dog and a human I am a nurse but I’m saying that it’s not the same as a person with diabetes

I really hate taking her so many times in one day but she’s doing great with everything we did a pre-test and then I fed her and gave her her insulin and then have been on a two hour test mode ever since

I hope that none of the medications that she currently takes is giving us crazy results as well


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Hi and welcome

It is challenging managing both cushings and diabetes and its not that unusual to see a dog going diabetic after being cushing . Many have done adequately and got it to work .

As mike sugested regulation isnt that complicated . At 14 units for a 114 pound dog is a bit light for a starting dose but i dont have a problem with that as my jesses dose ended up under a normal starting dose for a dog her size

Slow and steady usually wins the race . Some dogs do need 2 weeks for a dose to settle but for most a week is the standard . A large dog like yours may see dose adjustments of one unit but could go as high as 2 units if the curve is quite high coupled with some health concerns
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Old 01-10-2019, 12:38 PM
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You are doing fine. It is normal to see higher numbers on the first curve. Like jesse girl said, 14 units is a very conservative starting dose for a 114 lb dog. The normal starting dose for a 114lb dog would be about 22 units twice daily, so you have a ways to go.

Also remember that dogs are type 1 diabetics and their pancreas does not produce insulin. They are completely dependent on injected insulin.
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Old 01-10-2019, 12:45 PM
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Thanks Mike :-)
We appreciate the encouragement
We are very proud of how well she’s handling it all

More updates to follow soon


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You are doing fine. It is normal to see higher numbers on the first curve. Like jesse girl said, 14 units is a very conservative starting dose for a 114 lb dog. The normal starting dose for a 114lb dog would be about 22 units twice daily, so you have a ways to go.

Also remember that dogs are type 1 diabetics and their pancreas does not produce insulin. They are completely dependent on injected insulin.
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dont get discouraged with the numbers as it can take months to get to a regulation that is right for your dog . As we say on the forum every dog is different and regulation is that way also . Dont use the human guide as what needs to be done . The chances you get blood sugar looking like normal sugar is quite rare. My jesse has regulation from 100 to 250 sometimes more sometimes less . Sometimes very good and sometimes not so good but dogs dont seem to have the problems from elevated sugar as humans do probably because there life span is so much shorter than ours
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Old 01-10-2019, 04:59 PM
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Thanks JG. We really appreciate all the support from you and Mike in our thread. Just want our girl to get better. We just lost our oldest out right before Christmas he crossed the rainbow bridge it was a 12-year-old American bulldog/Pit named Axle. So things of been tough and then this just hit us out of nowhere we thought she was just feeling awful from so much grief Because we have never seen a dog grieve the loss of another dog like we have Athena with the loss of our Axle and maybe having a Cushing’s crisis we did not see this coming
She constantly sleeps near where his urn is. We are just trying to help her as best we can we would move the moon and the stars for our dogs ♥️🐾



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dont get discouraged with the numbers as it can take months to get to a regulation that is right for your dog . As we say on the forum every dog is different and regulation is that way also . Dont use the human guide as what needs to be done . The chances you get blood sugar looking like normal sugar is quite rare. My jesse has regulation from 100 to 250 sometimes more sometimes less . Sometimes very good and sometimes not so good but dogs dont seem to have the problems from elevated sugar as humans do probably because there life span is so much shorter than ours
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Old 01-11-2019, 07:29 AM
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Take it from a human diabetic, don't try and manage the dog like us humans. I learned the hard way. Don't get focused on numbers.

It takes a while for a dog to slowly come down, little by little. Stay consistent. Follow the basic regimen. And don't try to correct high numbers off and on, it just prolongs regulation.

Slow and steady wins the race.
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