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Old 07-15-2020, 02:44 AM
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Old 07-15-2020, 04:31 AM
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Hello, my name is Annemieke and I live in the Netherlands with my husband and our dog Bart (small Münsterlander 21 kg day of day of birth 7-28-2011). I am very glad I found this forum, because it helped me with so many questions and solutions. I couldn’t find a Dutch forum. Bart is diagnosed with diabetes 1 oktober 2019. So several months now. It began that we noticed that he was peeing long times, he held his hind leg so long up a tree, we thought he could work in a circus. After three weeks, we brought a morning urine sample at the vet. One hour later she rang and told as to come with the dog. She took a blood sample and his BG was 24.7 mmol / 445 mg. The vet asked what we wanted to do, immediately we respond: “We want to tread him of course”. So she injected 11 units vetsulin and told us to do so ones a day. We had to come after three days 7 hours after morning meal and injecting 11 units. The vet took his BG, it was 3.6 / 64.8 (she took his BG by drawing blood with a syringe from his paw) it was too low, so we were going to give him two injections a day. Two times 5 units. We tried several times to take a blood drop at home in his ear, but did not to succeed in getting a big enough drop. After 5 days we went again to measure his BG. The vet did an example by picking his ear with a big needle in the hand. He gave a yell. Yes, that was a big enough drop, but I knew I couldn’t do that do my dog. The BG was 13 / 234. We went up from 5 to 5.5 twice a day. We always had given him dry food, after the diagnose we changed to Royal Canin Diet Diabetic. Low in carbohydrates, high in fibre. Before he became ill he weight 23.5 kg. At the diagnose 21.8.
He was losing weight while we were treading him, so we had to give more dry food. Giving more food meant giving more insulin. We went from 6 to 6.5 to 7 up to 7.5. Still it was difficult to hold him on weight. Went to 19.9 kg. He looked not all right. He was skinny, but when he had eaten his big bowl of dry food his stomach/chest would blow up. He felt not good after eating such much food. Lying lethargic on his bed, not wanting to go out and under his mouth in his bed it became a wet spot. Injecting him was difficult because there was not a loose skin to pick after eating because he was so blown up.
Then searching the internet I found the Freestyle sensor op YouTube, we ordered two sensors and the reader. On 15 november we received the sensor and put it ourselves on the dog. Now we could measure his Bg every minute if we want to. Discovered that after meals he staid high for more than three hours. That why he’s feeling bad. Now we looked for other food. Reading a lot on your forum, we see you all cook yourself. Also reading on internet that dogs don’t need carbohydrates at all. Under supervision of the sensor we changed to raw meat. We buy it at the pet store. It’s called Raw for Dogs, comes in sausages and contains no carbohydrate, 10 % vegetables
Now he does very well. After meals and insulin his Bg does rise, but descends more quickly. After his 12.00 meal he does not rise at all. He eats 3 times a day 200 gram (8.30 am – 12.00 am – 19.30 pm) at 12.00 he gets 10 gram dry diabetic food and at 22.30 again 10 gram to catch the nadir. Gained weight. Has a nice shiny fur. Went down with Insulin. In the morning 6.5 and in the evening 6.

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Old 07-15-2020, 06:33 AM
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You can go back to the original place you posted because most people go there and discuss the things about diabetes but welcome. I will post some of my thoughts over at the original post in discussions.
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Old 07-15-2020, 05:37 AM
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Right place to start a discussion. Tell us about your doggie.

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Old 07-23-2020, 01:35 PM
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Yeah you are right about the diet part where vets don't know much about it besides "buy this dry dog food". If your pet cant eat said dry food and the vet really doesn't have an answer, it is scary for a diabetic pet owner that is pretty much blind to the situation also.


For my BG testing on Cloud i usually use his front leg callus that he has on the joint areas where he lays down on a lot and just massage it a bit to get some blood flow and prick him with the highest level penetration setting. Since its a callus it seems he doesn't feel anything and hes gotten use to laying down for about a minute to get this done for now. Since hes a 70 pound dog and he has gotten use of his hind legs again hes more squirmy lately just because he can be lol.


Totally understand your stress when you see high numbers. I had this problem for a month and i blew threw boxes of test strips because every 2 hours i hoped it would look good. Thank fully my dog has regulated now and im actually having to reduce some insulin since his body is getting use to the diet and insulin. Things will look better once you get the hang of tweaking things on the fly. Hang in there yall will make it through and life will go back to a norm.
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Old 07-25-2020, 02:28 AM
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His numbers are good now, but they were high in the beginning on the dry food. He was losing weight and I also lost weight due to stress. Now on the raw meat he is doing fine. He doesn't have the callus you are talking about. I think they occurs with heavier dogs. Or he is spoiled laying on soft undergrounds. I understand you taking bloedsamples every two hours. Fine that your dog is going well now.
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Just bear in mind raw diets can be high in fat. Fat can be potentially dangerous for things like pancreatitis.
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Old 07-28-2020, 10:25 AM
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glad you found food for your dog that he likes and works for regulation

it can be very challenging finding what food works .

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Old 07-15-2020, 06:39 AM
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I just recently got my dog regulated and found out that a pure protein diet doesnt go well with BG numbers in leveling but thats from my experience but if it works for you by all means continue. I just wanted to know if you have a full days curve to show because i did read up on raw diets but didnt know how stable they make the curves go but seems you are doing well from what you have posted.
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Old 07-17-2020, 02:14 AM
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I did post my story on K9 Biographies.

I have to say, I have not made an curve on one day. Because getting a good drop of blood is not so easy. I pick him in his lip or in the little cushion on the front paw. Sometimes I have do pick him three times to get one good drop. So I don't want to eager him this doing it all day long. But I do it maybe 4 times a week on different times. Then I get this curve.

Fasting number 8.30h 227 - 205 - 222 - 193 - 229 -fasting number 19.30h 297 - 209 - 184

Probably in september we will put on a new freestyle sensor. That is much more easier to follow his numbers and see the pattern.

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