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  • #1

    Rylie's mom needs your help!

    Good morning, as much as I wish I had the proper meter, I am using the relion prime. Rylie, is my 4 1/2 year old female Rotti whom became very sick about a month ago with severe pancriatitis and you all know what followed, yep, diabetes. She was 127 pounds, she is now 104. The vet started her at 12uc twice a day. Her levels stayed very high. For the last 2 weeks I have slowly gotten here up to 20uc twice a day. She is still high. Does anyone know the average reading difference when using the ReliOn verses a meter coded for dogs? It would ease my mind as well as understand when low might just be to low.
    Thanks for any ans all advice, Rylie's Mom: confused:
    4 1/2 year old female Rotti, current weight 108 pounds. This week @ 26 units 2x a day, Novolin N, diag. 1/31/15. BG still in the mid 200's + 300's. Still trying to find a good dosage. Blue Healthy Weight 2 1/2 cups 2x's a day. Relion Prime meter
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  • #2
    Re: ReliOn prime What is the true number?

    Welcome to the forum.

    I use the ReliOn Prime for most of my testing, and compare it to the AlphaTrak-2 once in a while. Guess it's good to have the AlphaTrak-2 even if you only use it once or twice a month to compare with your other meter(s). I've found if I divide the Prime's reading by .68 I get a number that is usually close to what the AlphaTrak-2 would have given. Example: my Annie tested 88 with the Prime a few minutes ago. I divide 88 by .68 and record 129. The calculation is pretty good in the "good" range, but may be off by quite a bit at high numbers. This has worked well enough for me.

    What type of insulin are you using? If you are using the popular Novolin-N from Walmart the following might be of interest. Rylie might have been started at a lower than typical starting insulin dosage. A very general starting dosage is thought to be .2 units per body weight. So, some might have started a 127 pounder at closer to 24 units and then adjusted from there. Now at about 100 pounds, your 20 units is a possible starting dosage. Typically, we let a dosage "settle" for a week then do a 12 hour curve. We then make adjustments based on the results of the curve. All this could take weeks to get a decent dosage figured out - can't really rush it".

    Of course, every dog / situation is different so its impossible to just say: "give XX amount of insulin for a XX weight pup.

    Tell us more about Rylie. What is he eating, any eating problems, other medical conditions?

    Craig
    Last edited by CraigM; 03-01-2015, 08:50 AM.
    Annie was an 18 pound Lhasa Apso that crossed the rainbow bridge on 10-5-17. She was nearly 17 years old and diabetic for 9½ years.

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    • #3
      Re: Your dog's diet, insulin, and meter used

      Rylie is my 4 1/2 year old, 104 pound, female Rottweiler, diagnosed on 01/30/15. She had started to put her nose up at meal time. She would eat most of it but left alot behind. We had just had an electrical fire at the house and had to stay in a hotel for a week. Just smoke damage.( No big deal for her, she travels with us everywhere) but, I assumed maybe she picked up a parisite or bug from the dog droppings of those who DON'T pick up. Rylie is up to date on everything. Two days after we came home she started to vomit. Went to the vet, he checked her, we talked and he two thought a bug or bugs.
      That night she really became sick. I have never seen a dog vomit so much. I kept her fluids up thru the night and at the vet first thing. Blood work was a mess. She had Severe Pancreatitis, her BG was thru the roof and her ketone was off the chart. She was dying. Three days and thousands at the emergency vet, she came home because we had no more $$. Not because we wanted to bring her home on a Sunday, Super Bowl Sunday no less, we had no choice. THEY REFUSED TO TREAT. Pay first, treat second, we emptied every account and even though we gave them $3000.00 + in cash less than 36 hours before out the door we went!! Yes, I'm bitter.
      ok, started on Novolin N 12units 2x a day, boiled chicken and white rice, 1/4 cup every two hours because of her pancreatitis, antibiotics as well. BG stayed in the high 400's - 600's the
      First 7 days. Then went to w/d 2cups twice a day. Her BG stayed high so we started to slowly increase her insolin 1unit every other day.
      When I read the lable of the hills w/d, I was floored at the poor quality. So I began to study lables. On 02/28/15 I changed her food not her dosage. Her numbers are looking better than ever. I am feeding her Blue Buffalo, Life Protection Formula, Healthy Weight Adult in the yellow and blue bag. 20% crude protein, 9% fat, 10% fiber. Yes, the fiber could be a bit higher however, healthy treats give natural fiber.



      At 20 units of Novolin N 2x a day, her numbers are in the 400's
      Last edited by Rylie's mom; 03-03-2015, 06:48 PM. Reason: mistake on her BG numbers, they are in the 400's NOT 200's
      4 1/2 year old female Rotti, current weight 108 pounds. This week @ 26 units 2x a day, Novolin N, diag. 1/31/15. BG still in the mid 200's + 300's. Still trying to find a good dosage. Blue Healthy Weight 2 1/2 cups 2x's a day. Relion Prime meter

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      • #4
        Re: ReliOn prime What is the true number?

        wow what an adventure . glad you pup is doing much better and hope to see continued progress
        Jesse-26 lbs - 16.5 years old ,11 years diabetic, one meal a day homemade and a vitabone snack . 3 shots of Novolin( under the Relion name ) a day . Total insulin for a 24 hour period is 6.5 units of NPH insulin .
        Jesse earned her wings on 6/21/2021

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        • #5
          Rylie

          Yikes! You guys have been through a lot! Yes, vet bills can add up fast

          Just one comment. I divide my Prime reading by either .7, or .68. Not much difference between the .7 and .68 but on one container of strips the .7 is better, then a few months later another batch of strips seem to indicate the .68 conversion.

          Craig
          Annie was an 18 pound Lhasa Apso that crossed the rainbow bridge on 10-5-17. She was nearly 17 years old and diabetic for 9½ years.

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          • #6
            Rylie

            Btw, would you like me to change the name of your thread to "Rylie's adventure" or something else?

            Craig
            Annie was an 18 pound Lhasa Apso that crossed the rainbow bridge on 10-5-17. She was nearly 17 years old and diabetic for 9½ years.

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            • #7
              Re: ReliOn prime What is the true number?

              I have A AlphaTrak2, Relion Prime and a Relion Comfirm.

              I ran three test strips thru each meter using a control fluid. The fluid was lab tested at a 150 level.

              The AlphaTrak2 read 156,157, 152,
              The Confirm read 102,124, 118
              The Prime read 111,122, 120.

              Our Dog tested morning fast numbers of
              AlphaTrak2 171,
              Confirm 140,
              Prime LO (per the test strip label LO= <90)

              YNMV
              Sadie Lynn April 2, 2003 to December 30, 2015, Mini Schnauzer

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              • #8
                Rylie

                Originally posted by WRoberson View Post
                I have A AlphaTrak2, Relion Prime and a Relion Comfirm.

                I ran three test strips thru each meter using a control fluid. The fluid was lab tested at a 150 level.

                The AlphaTrak2 read 156,157, 152,
                The Confirm read 102,124, 118
                The Prime read 111,122, 120.

                Our Dog tested morning fast numbers of
                AlphaTrak2 171,
                Confirm 140,
                Prime LO (per the test strip label LO= <90)

                YNMV
                Sounds like your Prime meter had an error. According to page 51 of the manual
                http://www.manualslib.com/manual/704...page=51#manual
                a "LO" means under 20. Are you sure you inserted a Prime test strip into the Prime meter? Maybe there wasn't enough blood for the test?

                Don't really want to "thread-jack" Rylie's thread

                Craig
                Annie was an 18 pound Lhasa Apso that crossed the rainbow bridge on 10-5-17. She was nearly 17 years old and diabetic for 9½ years.

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                • #9
                  Re: ReliOn prime What is the true number?

                  Craig You're right, I was going back to correct that and got busy.
                  Sadie Lynn April 2, 2003 to December 30, 2015, Mini Schnauzer

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                  • #10
                    Re: Rylie

                    Ok, now I am really confused. But thankful for all the advice. If I am understanding the readings right, the Prime read about 55 less than the AlphaTrak. I am going to have to spend the money on a doggie meter, just to use as a "check".
                    I bumped Rylie up to 22u's today and did my usual curve. (I do none everytime I increase her) Because her numbers are so high, I am moving her up about every three days. They started her at only 12u 2x a day. She is 105 pounds, novolin n. She stays in the 400's so far. However I use the relion prime meter so I am guessing her #'s are even higher.
                    am I bumping her up to fast? I check her ketones as well because when she was so sick here ketones were dangerous. Very large amounts. Now, none to a trace.
                    Thanks for the input
                    Jan

                    Rylie is a spayed female Rottweiler. Her weight is down to 104 (was 127). She has no other medical issues. She did have severe pancreatitis, and that is what caused the diabetes, or the diabetes caused the pancreatitis, either way here we are!!!!
                    Last edited by Rylie's mom; 03-03-2015, 06:55 PM.
                    4 1/2 year old female Rotti, current weight 108 pounds. This week @ 26 units 2x a day, Novolin N, diag. 1/31/15. BG still in the mid 200's + 300's. Still trying to find a good dosage. Blue Healthy Weight 2 1/2 cups 2x's a day. Relion Prime meter

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                    • #11
                      Re: Rylie

                      Originally posted by Rylie's mom View Post
                      Ok, now I am really confused. But thankful for all the advice. If I am understanding the readings right, the Prime read about 55 less than the AlphaTrak. I am going to have to spend the money on a doggie meter, just to use as a "check".
                      I bumped Rylie up to 22u's today and did my usual curve. (I do none everytime I increase her) Because her numbers are so high, I am moving her up about every three days. They started her at only 12u 2x a day. She is 105 pounds, novolin n. She stays in the 400's so far. However I use the relion prime meter so I am guessing her #'s are even higher.
                      am I bumping her up to fast? I check her ketones as well because when she was so sick here ketones were dangerous. Very large amounts. Now, none to a trace.
                      Thanks for the input
                      Jan
                      Most say to give close to a week between insulin increases, but I think you are fine because you were started with a low dosage. Maybe as you see the numbers get into the 300s you might slow the increases to 5-7 days. I'd also probably keep the increase to 10% (2 units) until you get into the 200s, then cut back to 1 unit increases.

                      Craig
                      Annie was an 18 pound Lhasa Apso that crossed the rainbow bridge on 10-5-17. She was nearly 17 years old and diabetic for 9½ years.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Rylie

                        I thought so as well but I am trying so hard to do all the right things and not cause her harm. I have noticed, they higher her dose has gotten, the better her curve looks. No spikes, just a nice steady decrease and at about the 8th hour she turns back up steady. Even though she is in the 400's, the curve looks ok. Not like it used to, it reminded me of a rollercoaster at bush gardens! LOL.
                        4 1/2 year old female Rotti, current weight 108 pounds. This week @ 26 units 2x a day, Novolin N, diag. 1/31/15. BG still in the mid 200's + 300's. Still trying to find a good dosage. Blue Healthy Weight 2 1/2 cups 2x's a day. Relion Prime meter

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                        • #13
                          Diabetes and Blindness will this happen to my girl?

                          I am new to this forum and have to say up front again THANK YOU!

                          My girl Rylie has been doing well since her dx at the end of January 2015. We are still searching for that perfect number, but getting there. My question is, should We expect Rylie to loose her eye sight? I have noticed a number of diabetic pet kids have had issues with thier sight. Are there signs to watch for? What causes this to happen? Can it be avoided? There is so much to take in and learn, but thanks to all of you I feel so much better about having a diabetic pet. I log in every day, sometimes more than once. It is amazing how wonderful you all are with sharing and supporting each other.

                          Thank you for any and all the info!
                          Jan and Rylie
                          4 1/2 year old female Rotti, current weight 108 pounds. This week @ 26 units 2x a day, Novolin N, diag. 1/31/15. BG still in the mid 200's + 300's. Still trying to find a good dosage. Blue Healthy Weight 2 1/2 cups 2x's a day. Relion Prime meter

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                          • #14
                            Re: Diabetes and Blindness will this happen to my girl?

                            Hi Jan,

                            Welcome to the forum. I can provide my experience with blindness, and my Abby was diabetic for 2.5 years and she was not blind. It would seem that if a pup may have the onset of old age cataracts, perhaps the lens is a bit more resistant to the 'sugar' blindness. Not sure, just my observation.

                            There are many that have become blind, and live normal lives. It is always good to perhaps make an appointment with an eye specialist, especially if you feel that other conditions are present, or would like to investigate further in cataract surgery.

                            Good luck on this journey.

                            Barb
                            Barb & Abby 12/24/1999-12/31/2013 ~ dx 5/10/2011 ~ Forever in my heart ~

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                            • #15
                              Re: Diabetes and Blindness will this happen to my girl?

                              Thank you for your advice. Rylie's diabetes came from a severe attack of pancreatitis. Then ketone's Off the chart. She got so sick, so fast. We could only afford to keep her in the hospital for 36 hours. When we brought her home on super bowl sunday, we didn't know if she would pull through. Like so many here I was lost and emotionally drained the first week. I stumbled onto this forum in the middle of the night and I started reading. By the time the sun came up, I had hope. It took me a month to join, I felt like a peeping Tom!
                              I am so grateful to all of you here. I must say that in every post. You all took the fear and put it aside for me. My girl Rylie is everything to me. She laid by my side as I recoverd from spinal surgery that changed my life. A doctors mistake left me in constant pain, and she knows when I need her and she stays next to me. When she plays tug of war with my husband, she pulls him across the room, with me she pretends to play and tugs so gently. She's such a good soul.
                              Everyone here helped save her life, and I truly love you all.
                              I will make sure the vet checks her eye's and keeps checking!
                              Thank you, Jan and Rylie too!!
                              4 1/2 year old female Rotti, current weight 108 pounds. This week @ 26 units 2x a day, Novolin N, diag. 1/31/15. BG still in the mid 200's + 300's. Still trying to find a good dosage. Blue Healthy Weight 2 1/2 cups 2x's a day. Relion Prime meter

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