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Old 02-02-2019, 01:53 PM
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Default Re: Help! Switching from Novilin N to Vetsulin

Its very common to see higher numbers with infection . My jesse can get ear problems and when that happens her numbers go up until it clears . So basically you cant regulate a dog with an infection . The problem is you raise the dose to combat the higher sugar from the infection which maybe to much when the infection clears

At the time when vetsulin was taken off the market they claim vetsulin was basically unstable but i believe most of that was the inconsistency we see with dogs blood sugar as most dont get close to what normal blood sugar would look like and they blamed that on vetsulin . Not sure what they did to get FDA approval again

My personal opinion i dont think any insulin is completely appropriate for dogs but its good enough and dogs can tolerate higher sugar . Jesse was not on vetsulin very long but the action appeared to be similar to NPH or her body had a similar response to both insulin's . At the time i wasnt that concerned with vetsulin but had more concern with it not being available and i argued with jesses vet at the time to take her of it and go to NPH and once she made the change i was happy with that

Thats good you have a sitter . Kennels have been problematic for diabetic pups
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Old 02-03-2019, 07:08 AM
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When you see sugar starting to be higher, I think it's hasty to just switch insulin. There's many reasons why sugar may be trending higher. That's what should be looked into first. And any infection is probably going to affect sugar.
I think it a bit irresponsible to just switch insulin, because that means a big change in the dog's body and it needs to be watched, and checked regularly, because there is going to be a change in numbers and curve pattern I would expect.

My vet discussed changing insulin as a last resort if we couldn't re-regulate when my dog has had some changes in his numbers.
Vets like to use Vetsulin because they sell it. Not saying it isn't appropriate for some dogs, but I'd never let my vet change without investigating bloodwork and urine, etc.

Making a big change like this when you're going to be away wasn't good timing in my opinion.
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Old 02-04-2019, 08:41 AM
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I won't comment on the Vetsulin switch but I will offer advice on making a change right before you go on vacation.

When my husband and I took an anniversary trip to Italy my kids rearranged their lives to care for Snickers. An hour after our plane took off they fed her and gave her insulin. Soon after she threw up all her food. My kids freaked out so much from that episode that they lowered all her subsequent shots by 1 unit.

Her numbers for the next 10 days were great! I get back home and it soon becomes obvious that we have to go back to her original dosage. I now know that certain kinds of stress (like vacations, vet visits, baths, etc) are the equivalent extra exercise and I need to watch for low numbers.

Moral of the story is that it is entirely possible that your dog's current insulin needs could change from the stress of the vacation. Adding a new variable, like a different insulin, should probably wait until a more stable situation is at hand.
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Old 02-06-2019, 02:39 PM
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SORRY..I THINK I GOT MY ANSWER BY READING POST FROM LOLO re:Novolin 70/30......As many of you know, I hate Vetsulin..and even wonder about Alphatrak since FDA standards for animal products were disclosed to me..Of course, I have always worried about everything but would like to know..LiZE if after 8+ hours ..Is the BG spiking for your baby? BTW..as I read from site to site, it seems as if many (not here) misuse terms Novolin N vs Novolin 70/30...As already written..I am still looking for those who have switched from VETSULIN to Novolin 70/30.as I would really like to switch to a human insulin regulated by FDA
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...#gid=811447094
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Old 02-06-2019, 02:41 PM
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MIKE!!!! Is Lilly on Novolin 70/30???? I guess I was not paying attention to your signature!!!
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Old 02-06-2019, 03:11 PM
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MIKE!!!! Is Lilly on Novolin 70/30???? I guess I was not paying attention to your signature!!!
Lily’s on a mixture of 13 units of Novolin N and 3 units of Novolin R. She gets the R to flatten out her food spike. In her case, it has the added benefit of prolonging the life of her insulin to 12 hours.
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Old 04-16-2019, 07:02 PM
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Update on Maggie...

Her ear infection has completely cleared up. Her ear specialist is amazed and I am proud of us for winning that battle. We've weaned her off of 5 medications.

We've got her up to 11 units Vetsulin, she's at 44 lbs. Her vet wants to increase to 12. She also wants a urine sample to rule out any UTI that may be causing lack of response to vetsulin dosage increases. At her last curve, she bottomed out at around low 200s, stayed in 300s most of the time. She shot up in the late morning to low 400s. Still feeding her & giving insulin at 6a and 6p.

We were told today that she has a cracked tooth - going back to her vet to figure out a POA next week. Extraction and root canal were mentioned. That'll mean a month or two of trying to get her regulated with wanting to eat again. Extraction is shorter anesthesia, but longer healing - reverse for root canal.

She has a fluid filled cyst on her head that has returned after being drained (small, the size of a grape maybe). The vet mentioned wanting to remove it last time we drained it. She is due for a cataract check up in June... I feel overwhelmed again. Every time we get her health under control, I am bamboozled by some new issue.

All this time, I thought she was regulated. She was eating, playing, loving life. And now with the new vetsulin, it feels like we're at square one. Lord, give me strength.
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Old 04-29-2019, 12:15 PM
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I am having the same problem with my Yukon on Vetsulin in regulating him. The only difference is Yukon's BG spikes into the 500-600's+ the first 4-6 hours of me feeding him and giving him 13 units of Vetsulin. It starts to go down and is usually about 150 by 5:30 p.m. - just in time for me to give him his dinner and insulin shot again. Lately it seems that in the morning it is in the 400's right before his breakfast & insulin so it has been staying high at night. He does have elevated hormones so I am not sure if that is what is causing all of the problems.

I am so discouraged I reached out to my vet to try to figure out a better insulin for him. He has been on the Vetsulin since September, 2018. Because of all the high number he is developing cataracts and is having a really hard time seeing. It breaks my heart.

I test his blood daily at least 4 times a day through urine and alpha trak. I have never had consistent numbers with the Vetsulin. I would love to have a day under 300 all day.

I would also love to hear if someone switched from Vetsulin to the Novolin 70/30 and if it made a difference.
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Old 05-03-2019, 09:33 AM
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OMG..We are exhausted after 2 years of insulins..Now, we are trying to wait 20-30 minutes AFTER eating to give Vetsulin..I am trying to get guidance on using Novolin70/30..though someone somewhere believes it does not last as long as vetsulin. Suzie's results remain so screwed up, I am looking for a DVM with more education on the "workings" of insulins..since MERCK/VETSULIN is useless..Any great ideas welcome. Suzie remains asymptomatic (physical symptoms) and apparently that is all the DVM's care about...Keep in touch and will try Novolin 70/30 after next vial of vetsulin.
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Old 05-03-2019, 09:52 AM
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Yukie's mom ...ERROR...I am trying to switch FROM Vetsulin to Novolin70/30..Sorry to have misread thread topic that must have started almost 2 years ago while still on NPH!!!!!!
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