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Old 09-29-2018, 04:05 PM
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Hello,

First time posting here, found the forum while googling. Snowball is an 11 year old 8lb maltese female. She was diagnosed with diabetes about 3 months ago. Up until that time she was a normal dog, would run to you when you call her and play with her toys etc. We noticed she was peeing all over the house and not making it through the night which was very unusual for her so we brought her to the vet and got the diagnosis. Two vets actually. We started her on the Insulin from Walmart, whatever they sell for 24.88 and we have syringes from there as well. They started her on 1 unit twice daily and currently she is on 3 units twice daily. Even since starting the insulin its like we have a different dog. Up until the last couple of weeks it wasn't too bad, she just basically wouldn't play with her toys anymore which she used to do nightly on the couch with me to the point of driving me crazy sometimes. She did do it once in the past week, but that was the first time in at least 2 months.

Anyway, the past couple of weeks, she is just basically dead. She gets up and walks outside and goes to the bathroom and then comes back in the house and lies down. If I do get her to get up, she basically walks a little bit and plops back down and sleeps. She is still active if someone is eating food though.

Before we got the diagnosis of the diabetes she was urinating almost constantly and drinking lots of water. Now with the insulin she is still drinking tons of water and once in awhile she will make it through a 7 hour night, but usually we have to take her out in the middle of the night. I'd say about 3 hours she typically makes it. She also has lost a bit of control and frequently will pee on herself while lying down.

Sorry for the long post. I guess the main question is, I've read both things saying that increased thrist can be too much insulin and also not enough insulin.

We did about 5 times at the vet for glucose curves and each time they tell us to come back again the next week that they are still regulating it. The vet is very reasonably priced, but frankly we just don't have the money to keep going back. I suppose I could do it at home, but i'm not exactly sure how to draw the blood. Just hoping to get some advise so I can make her at comfortable as possible within the confines of the budget.

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Rob
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Old 09-29-2018, 04:43 PM
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Testing her blood sugar at home would be the best approach. Go to www.k9diabetes.com/bgtestvideos.html and you can see various places to test and how people collected the blood sample, which is quite small.

Though many vets use the ear, that's not usually the best place to test dogs.

If you don't have the results of the vets' blood sugar checks and curves, please obtain and copy and post the information here.

It's possible that the blood sugar is swinging through a large range from highest to lowest and she could have both too high blood sugar and too low blood sugar every day.

A few dogs also are allergic to NPH, which I'm sure is what you're using (Relion N) - that could be making her very tired and sluggish.

But I'd like to see her blood sugar readings first before going there.

Did she have a full blood panel when she was diagnosed?

If so, any abnormal readings besides her blood sugar?

How much does she weight?

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Ah, I see you said 8 pounds. 3 units twice a day - it is given twice a day? - could be too high of a dose, causing her to have low blood sugar at certain times of day.

The "average" dose for dogs is around 1/4 unit per pound, so 2 units in her case. Their needs vary and my guess is that perhaps her insulin dose has been raised too quickly and she bottoms out at times.

If you'd like to go with a human meter rather than one for dogs, the OneTouch group are very good with dog blood. They usually come pretty close.

You can find general information plus numerous links to other sites at the main website: www.k9diabetes.com.

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Old 09-29-2018, 06:15 PM
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As natalie suggested you have to get a bit more proactive . Vets are good for many things but managing diabetes exclusively at the office is difficult unless you get lucky with the correct dose

Not even knowing what insulin your dog is using says you might be behind the curve but catching up is not to difficult . The more you put into it the better your dog will be . Now your vet may fight you being proactive but having a discussion with them about being more involve should be helpful
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Jesse-26 lbs - 15 years old - 9.5 years diabetic - one meal a day homemade and a vitabone snack - 3 shots of Novolin a day sometimes Novolog or r as a correction to higher sugar but that is rare. total insulin for a 24 hour period is between 8 and 10 units of NPH insulin depending on her fasting number
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Old 09-29-2018, 06:46 PM
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I think human meters are cheaper so I'll go with that if I can. Is there a recommended meter and strips?

As for the testing. What is the preferred spot for an 8lb dog? I don't know if she has enough lip for that method. She has big ears though. I'm not super comfortable sticking her at the bottom of her foot.

As for the insulin. I do know what it is. I just thought the walmart insulin is pretty well known by everyone.
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Old 09-29-2018, 08:30 PM
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My jesse was very sick and i did not give her much hope when she came home from the hospital after 10 days . I decided to read everything the site had to offer . Read as many threads as i could that was similar to jesses situation

I became the foremost expert on jesses diabetes and i believe that to be true
That was over 8 years ago and she has lives a happy normal dogs life with some limitations

It has changed my understanding of medical conditions which i had none . Doing curves at home seeing what is going on with blood sugar may give the clue on why snowball is not herself

One other thing if not asked has your girl been spayed ? . That can lead to problems with regulation
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Old 09-29-2018, 08:35 PM
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She is spayed.

As for meters I see a brand was mentioned in the first reply but the test strips are quite pricey. Is there a meter that works well with reasonably priced strips or generic strips that people verify work?
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Old 09-30-2018, 06:52 AM
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Looking at bayer meter or relion meter. Both seem to have very inexpensive strips. Anyone have luck with those?
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Old 09-30-2018, 07:25 AM
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Jesse has used the relion meter and other human meters for the last 8 years which have worked for her. numbers can get less accurate in the higher range but get pretty close in the lower range which is most important with low bloos sugar . Even being off a bit in the higher range will still give an accurate pattern of what is going on with blood sugar and how to proceed .

So any meter human or not will most likely work understanding it wont be perfect but should get the job done
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Old 09-30-2018, 07:43 AM
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Okay I will grab a relion today.
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