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Old 03-27-2018, 04:12 AM
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Default My Max, one year since diagnosis

My dog has just been diagnosed with diabetes. He is a terrier mix and is only 4 yrs old. My vet said that it is almost a for sure thing that my boy will be blind and possibly in a matter of months, maybe even weeks. I am looking for some honest feedback on what kind of "quality of life" issues we may be facing....
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Old 03-27-2018, 03:40 PM
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Hi,
Other more experienced folks will have comments also, but don't be too worried about the cataracts at this point, concentrate on treating the disease. Some dogs will lose their vision but others do not. Mollie was diagnosed about 1 year ago and has cataracts, she has not lost her vision even though the cataracts do affect her vision in the dark a bit, she is just very cautious when walking around in very dark or shady places. There are other members who do have dogs that are blind and the dogs appear to have adapted well to blindness
You can also search the forum for cataracts or blindness and find posts on the subject
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Old 03-27-2018, 04:29 PM
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hi and welcome

No guarantees either way but my feeling the more you put into the management of the disease the better the outcome
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Jesse-26 lbs - 15 years old - 9.5 years diabetic - one meal a day homemade and a vitabone snack - 3 shots of Novolin a day sometimes Novolog or r as a correction to higher sugar but that is rare. total insulin for a 24 hour period is between 8 and 10 units of NPH insulin depending on her fasting number
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Old 03-27-2018, 07:24 PM
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Most dogs are really unfazed by losing vision - they just donít value it on emotional terms. Dogs are so much more able to live in the moment and just carry on and adapt. There are exceptions to this - my Maggie was one. She lost her vision practically overnight and was just paralyzed with fear. We ended up having cataract surgery and her vision was restored but ironically as she got older, it started gradually going again and she was not upset at all. Maggie had an abusive past before I got her and had the worst separation anxiety. She had to be sedated to be in a kennel at all. I suspect that had something to do with her reaction to blindness.

Beyond blindness, there really arenít the type of long term side effects that many humans have with diabetes. Very few have extensive organ damage or the types of healing issues humans do.

Diabetes makes them susceptible to things like pancreatitis and dry eyes, but if you keep them on a low fat diet and be very consistent with the schedule of feeding and shots, and testing blood sugar periodically, your dog can have a relatively normal life span. My Maggie was diagnosed at 7 and lived almost 9 additional years with diabetes. She had a very good life and in the end, it wasnít even diabetes. She had developed very painful cervical spine damage and I couldnít bear that pain. She had fought too hard to suffer like that.
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Old 03-28-2018, 04:35 AM
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The consensus among most experienced vets who treat diabetes is dogs will show signs of cataracts with six months of developing diabetes. Scooter has them but can still get around fine. I am attempting to treat them with drops and supplements. That can take time. For some dogs it works, for others not so much.

It is important, if your dog does get them, to have him tested for glaucoma every few months. The increase in eye pressure can damage the eye to the point having surgery is not possible.

Finally, get his blood glucose levels under control as quickly as possible. Levels below 250 can at least delay the full onset of cataracts and perhaps slow their progression.
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Diagnosed 9/15/17. A 17 lb. terrier mutt, 15 years old. My bestest friend. Novolin N 6U, Novolin R 3U, 2X/day. Cesar Classics 3.5 oz. packets w/ 4 tbsps of old fashion Quaker Oats, 2x day. Probiotic every 3 or 4 days. Omega 3, two 300 mg. capsules 1X/day for skin. Occuguard Plus, Billberry, Lutein, Vit E, Vit C every meal for eyes.
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Old 03-28-2018, 11:42 AM
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Not sure why your vet would say with such certainty that cataracts will develop. My vet told me it's the most common side effect, but in no way did she predict a time frame, or even that it would happen. It's different with every dog.

As for quality of life, get it under control, take your time with it, be consistent and methodical, and they can lead a normal life, much like a human diabetic.
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Old 03-29-2018, 04:53 AM
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Not sure why your vet would say with such certainty that cataracts will develop. My vet told me it's the most common side effect, but in no way did she predict a time frame, or even that it would happen. It's different with every dog.
Both my regular BCI, board certified internist, and the one I will see at the same practice "in a pinch" for simple work, have broached the subject. The latter being a bit more direct.

Also, all the data I have read suggests the same thing. They start to appear around the 6th month of diabetes diagnosis. Yes, that can vary by dog and no, not all dogs will get them just as not all dogs will develop diabetes.

I'd rather have that information upfront so I can both be prepared when it happens and be in a position to try and do something about it, now, if I can.

Knowledge is power, I believe. The whole point of this forum.

The high sugar is what will cause the crystals to form in the eyes causing the cloudy result and loss of vision over time. Keeping those BC levels as close to normal (80 to 120) is key to controlling their formation.

Beyond diet, there are also supplements that can potentially help to delay the onset of cataracts. I'm using the Occuguard capsules mixed in Scooters food each meal plus giving him a Vit. E and Billberry in some cheese twice a day. These antioxidants have been shown to help the eyes maintain good health with the Billberry shown to strengthen the micro capillaries in the eyes.

This board certified veterinarian othamologist describes it fairly well.

https://youtu.be/MxWi9FZSrEM
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Diagnosed 9/15/17. A 17 lb. terrier mutt, 15 years old. My bestest friend. Novolin N 6U, Novolin R 3U, 2X/day. Cesar Classics 3.5 oz. packets w/ 4 tbsps of old fashion Quaker Oats, 2x day. Probiotic every 3 or 4 days. Omega 3, two 300 mg. capsules 1X/day for skin. Occuguard Plus, Billberry, Lutein, Vit E, Vit C every meal for eyes.

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Default Out of control barking!

Hi,
My dog Max is diabetic and this forum has been a great resource for me. Even though this post is not related to his diabetes I was hoping someone here may have some advice for me. Max is a terrier and as you would expect is a barker, but his barking and "screaming" goes way beyond the norm. When he sees another animal he gets so excited that he becomes uncontrollable and begins to shriek and scream. I have tried exposing him to other animals more in hopes he would calm down but it seems to have gotten worse. He gets walked daily and is rarely left alone. Its so bad that other animals get defensive (I understand why) and Im worried that it will cause him to be attacked when we are out walking. Any advice would be appreciated....
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Old 01-30-2019, 06:05 PM
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Default Re: Out of control barking!

How old is max ? Sometimes as we get older we can get grumpy and defensive . I guess dogs can also . My jesse barks a bit more at dinner time and being a beagle its very loud . I have trained her to speak quiet . She will do it until it doesnt get her point across

Only training may help but for older dogs that becomes more difficult . Me and jesse run into a cattle dog named roxy . constantly barks anytime a dog crosses her path and its been that way for the 8 years me and jesse have run into her . We try to work with roxy because jesse is such a calming dog ( except for rabbits and dinner time ) She has gotten a bit better but being that type of breed they want to heard everything

Terriers can be very aggressive and its in there nature . Maybe you can work with a friends dog that may help to calm max or maybe some professional training would help
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Old 01-30-2019, 11:56 PM
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Default Re: Out of control barking!

Thanks for your reply,
Max just turned 5yrs old. He does the normal excited barking when Im getting his food ready or when someone comes to the door, thats fine, its the screaming ear piercing uncontrollable frenzy thats the problem. It sounds aggressive but its him being excited. He isnt wanting to engage other dogs in an aggressive way but unfortunately other animals think he is.
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