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Old 11-07-2018, 02:38 PM
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Yukon is on the Royal Canin Hydrolized Protein dog food. He get a little under a cup twice a day with a couple teaspoons of boiled chicken. He is 30 pounds. I asked the internal medicine doctor if we should switch his food and told her what I fed him and she said no to leave him what he's on.

I give him salt free green beans as a treat a couple times a day as well and I have taken his BG after giving him the green beans in the afternoon and it doesn't increase the insulin I give him salt free green beans as a treat a couple times a day as well and I have taken his BG after giving him the green beans in the afternoon and it doesn't increase the BG from the beans.

It's like the insulin or the food is causing this big spike twice a day.
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Old 11-07-2018, 03:44 PM
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Went to the internal doctor last Monday and she did an ultrasound and said all Yukons organs look good for his age. Raised his insulin to 8 and told me to do a curve Saturday. I did the curve and it appears that his BG spikes incredibly about an hour after his food/insulin. It appears that his low point doesn't occur until almost 10 hours after the shot.

The internal med doctor wanted to do a urinalysis today to rule out a UTI and they called tonight and said no infection but lots of glucose in urine no ketones though. They want me to do another curve this Saturday and then the internal medicine doctor will make a decision I guess whether or not we should switch his insulin.

I have noticed some sticky spots on my floor in various areas and he still licking his privates. I'm getting a little discouraged with all these doctors and we are pretty much the same place we were six weeks ago.
Can you post the results of the curve on 8 units of Vetsulin? Donít get discouraged. Even at 8 units, you are only 2 units above the normal starting dose for a dog of Yukonís weight. Glad you are seeing an Internal Med vet
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Old 11-08-2018, 08:01 AM
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Yukon is on the Royal Canin Hydrolized Protein dog food. He get a little under a cup twice a day with a couple teaspoons of boiled chicken. He is 30 pounds. I asked the internal medicine doctor if we should switch his food and told her what I fed him and she said no to leave him what he's on.

I give him salt free green beans as a treat a couple times a day as well and I have taken his BG after giving him the green beans in the afternoon and it doesn't increase the insulin I give him salt free green beans as a treat a couple times a day as well and I have taken his BG after giving him the green beans in the afternoon and it doesn't increase the BG from the beans.

It's like the insulin or the food is causing this big spike twice a day.
According to the Royal canine hydrolized protein dog foodchart a

30 lb dog required amount daily is 2 5/8 cup
divide into 2 meals a day would be

1 and .3125 cups twice a day!

try this amount wait 7 days do a curve see if more food helps

you can also check bg 1 1/2 hours after food and insulin to see if the food is catching up.
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Old 11-08-2018, 11:59 AM
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Here are Yukon's BG Levels from the 11/03 Curve Test:

6:30 a.m. 393 Yukon’s Blood Glucose getting up no food
6:30 a.m. Gave Yukon Food and then Shot after Food 8.0 Units
8:30 a.m. 587
9:30 a.m. 470
10:30 a.m. 433 Walked and he pooped before 10:30 BG Reading,
gave Yukon small amount of Green Beans after
12:30 p.m. 389
2:30 p.m. 421
4:30 p.m. 245 Walked before BG draw and gave Green Beans.
6:45 p.m. 156 ????????
7:45 p.m. 663 Gave Yukon Food and then Shot after food 8.0 Units
How can it go up over 500?Drinking a little more.
9:05 p.m. 648 Gave Melatonin 3mg at 8:00 p.m.
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Old 11-08-2018, 01:23 PM
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the walk may have caused the lower number . maybe rebound on the jump back up . I take higher numbers with a grain of salt . It may not be as high as you think but its probably still high

I had similar results with jesse early in her diagnosis take her for a walk and droped hundreds of points and then it would spike up hundreds of points after

we cant be sure why . All we can do is speculate . i would say the 156 in not an error number because of the 221 from before but if you get a number that looks out of place a retest maybe prudent
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Old 11-21-2018, 03:42 PM
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I am working with the internal medicine doctor with Yukon and getting discouraged. We are up to ten units 2x day of Vetsulin and his BG is getting higher. She said next curve I need to do a 24 hour every 2 hours. She wants to see if the Symogi effect is happening.

I have noticed that his BG seems to be higher at night after I give him the insulin. She took them off the melatonin again so I'm not sure if that's what's causing the high night BG's. It seems like his levels were lower on the lower dose of insulin.

Here is the last two days on 10 units of Vetsulin:

11/19 (9 units) 281 6:30 p.m. Gave food and shot
677 10:40p.m.

11/20 (10 units) 321 6:15 a.m.
440 8:30 a.m.
389 3:30 p.m.
621 6:15 p.m. Gave food and shot at 6:30 p.m.
676 8:20 p.m.
621 10:00 p.m.

11/21 (10 units) 475 6:15 a.m.
HI 8:00 a.m.
564 1:30 p.m.
333 6:00 p.m.

I will take it again at 8:30 p.m. and it will most likely be in the 600's.

Is he resisting this insulin?
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Old 11-21-2018, 09:54 PM
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I have seen this with jesse raising the dose seen higher highs . for jesse she only could tolerate so much insulin at one time i guess .she did not show classic rebound just kept going higher and higher

maybe its a reaction to insulin
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Old 11-22-2018, 03:38 AM
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So did you end up lowering the dosage? I am also worried because she took him off the melatonin and he's been panting and drinking a ton.
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Old 11-22-2018, 06:43 AM
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for jesse 3 units is about all i can give her at shot time and why i have to give her 3 shots in a day instead of 2. I felt her body may not be completely happy with human insulin and that maybe the reason a smaller amount is needed .

its hard to say if the melatonin played a factor .the only way to know that is to reintroduce it but if it was making insulin more sensitive and without it you may need more insulin

it can be hard even with the best minds to know what direction to go . The symptoms you are seeing sounds like high sugar . You should test for ketones to correlate that high sugar
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Old 11-22-2018, 10:42 AM
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Could be resistance. I just had my dog in today for bloodwork as a starting point {his fastings have been erratic.)
Organs, hidden infection or some abnormality, thyroid, triglycerides, all possible causes.
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