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Old 11-21-2012, 01:55 PM
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Jake will drop a good 100 points with a 20 minute off leash walk. Of course I'm walking and he is going a 100 miles an hour running circles around me!
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Old 11-21-2012, 02:27 PM
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When Jenny was diagnosed I told my vet I could start walking her but honestly didn't know if I would keep it up in the winter so hated to get her all adjusted WITH the walk and then quit doing it. So my vet told me just to keep her in the routine that is her normal life and we would adjust her based on that.

I wonder if that is what your vet tech was thinking when she said not to walk Munchie?

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Don't know why tech told me that. Everytime he goes to the clinic I'm asked a ton of questions and I always tell them he is still enjoying little walks. Doesn't make sense to me.

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Regarding exercise: Unless Munchie has some sever disorder I don't know about, I find your tech advising against exercise preposterous.
Buddy- I agree. He has a mitral valve problem and enlarged heart but his cardiologist always asks if he still wants to walk and doesn't tell me not to do it. The only thing walking will do to his kidneys is give him plenty of opportunity to relieve himself

Today, in his blindness, his walks are more like a sniffing expedition. He's so busy smelling everything on the ground we go at a snail's pace. That's ok though. Every little bit counts.
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Old 11-21-2012, 02:30 PM
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So happy to hear Munchie had a great sniffing expedition I think that is what my guys look forward to the most

Best of Luck to Munchie and his new routine
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Old 11-21-2012, 05:47 PM
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Hi Louise

Keep in mind that some pups can have a different bg response depending on where they are in their insulin cycle. Franklin goes down before the nadir but often went up when insulin was running out.
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Old 11-21-2012, 06:08 PM
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Don't know why tech told me that. Everytime he goes to the clinic I'm asked a ton of questions and I always tell them he is still enjoying little walks. Doesn't make sense to me.

Buddy- I agree. He has a mitral valve problem and enlarged heart but his cardiologist always asks if he still wants to walk and doesn't tell me not to do it. The only thing walking will do to his kidneys is give him plenty of opportunity to relieve himself

Today, in his blindness, his walks are more like a sniffing expedition. He's so busy smelling everything on the ground we go at a snail's pace. That's ok though. Every little bit counts.
Sounds like Munchie's a real trooper. Of course, it's the quality of the walk that's important -- not the mileage. You deserve a heepin' helpin' of praise this Thanksgiving for being such a great dependable friend to Munchie.
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Old 11-23-2012, 04:14 PM
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I'm in the process of trying to change Munchie's food and all is not going well. Tried about 2T Pinnacle Trout & Sweet Potato (also has oatmeal) and it was a disaster. I'm really starting to think it has been the grain in his past diets instead of the chicken that caused problems. Am transitioning to Dick Van Patten Bison & Sweet Potato right now which I had given him in the past and he is tolerating it (fingers crossed). I must say on this food he poops as much as a buffalo and this morning it was on the living room carpet. So glad it wasn't diarrhea.

Tried to catch Natalie while she was online but missed her so I'll ask here. I feel rather dumb asking this but will do it anyway. Munch had to eat a huge amount of that bucket of rice diet just to maintain his weight i.e., almost 1000 calories worth. He did not thrive on that diet. Should I be feeding the same amount of calories worth of the Van Patten food? Before he ever started on the rice diet from Davis he ate kibble and never consumed anywhere close to that amount of calories.

His bg is getting worse. It was in the 700's last night before food and was 747 this morning. He seems to do better eating 3 meals a day no matter what the food is opposed to 2 meals. Still checking daily for ketones and so far there are none. After injection his bg dropped into the 400's but within 3 hours bg is on it's way up again. I've never seen him drink as much water as he did this morning in his entire life. He almost polished off the whole bowl. It's probably because his bg is so high, or else his kidneys are going kaput.

Treating his cancer wasn't as bad as trying to regulate his diabetes. This is extremely frustrating.

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Old 11-23-2012, 04:40 PM
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i think once the food has settled and you are still seeing higher numbers than you would have to raise the dose if substantially higher if most numbers are above 400 than you may have to give a bit more for a dose adjustment higher i am sure there can be some upset from a change from rice to something more substantial

as far as food amounts for jesses home prepared diet which is partially raw it was difficult to come up with an amount i went to raw diet sites to give me an idea where to start i am not the most scientific person as far as calories its more of an art and watch jesse to see if she needs more or less and i think we ended up a quarter cup more from where she started which was one cup per day not much poop from her diet so most is utilized i guess

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Old 11-23-2012, 08:45 PM
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I'm no expert but I agree with Jessegirl. Seems like Munchie has room for more insulin. I didn't look back at your curves tho. I'm on my phone. Hugs to you and your boy
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Old 11-23-2012, 09:07 PM
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It may be one of those, 'every dog is different' things. Decker, who hovers in the 87-90 pound weight category, eats on average two cups of food total per day. He's been getting an extra 1/4c to 1/2c of food once a day when his bg runs low due to pain med adjustments. Still not a lot of total food for a 87+ pound dog. His neuro exam in October listed him as 8/9 and obese, the worst rating he could have received. And that was after he'd lost 11 pounds. He was upwards of 98+ pounds before starting his thyroid meds.

Maybe start by looking at how many calories it would take to have Munchie at an ideal weight, based on activity level, and adjust from there?
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Old 11-23-2012, 09:23 PM
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Good points Holli. I spoke with a breeder who said her healthy dogs all have vastly different metabolisms. And I am feeding Jenny and overweight ranger exactly the same thing and he may have quit losing already. My vet said Jenny may not be utilizing all of her calories so she can eat more than a healthy dog.
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