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Old 08-27-2017, 03:48 PM
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daisy has struggled to get consistency . her regulation was good until the infection and digestive issues

diabetes changes our pups internally my jesse went from free feeding and never eating a whole meal at one sitting to inhaling food like a vacuum cleaner

it does make sense because the pancreas ( an important part of digestion ) is compromised .

could it be one thing or multiple things we just dont know . did they do a complete blood panel ? maybe the vet missed something . to me it just seems like something else is going on

just a thought
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Old 08-27-2017, 05:03 PM
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I can't tell you what is better or worse but I can tell you how I approached Maggie and this was quite a process. Maggie refused the prescription brands plus Taste of the Wild, Fromm, Orijen Senior, anything Hill's, eukanuba, Merrick (except canned) and I really could go on and on. I got her to eat the Blue Weight Management but her gas was awful and her digestion was still not good - runny poo and bouts of pancreatitis. My approach was to look at the carb source and find a food that didn't have rice. The next food I tried had white potatoes (I can't recall the brand) and she ate it but got terribly sick. So, we backed off and went to boiled chicken until she settled. I tried Nutrisca and it was the first food she would eat enthusiastically and she didn't have the terrible side effects. It was really too high in fat eventually but the carb source was chickpeas. After a couple of years, the allergy vet wanted her on Royal Canin Rabbit and Potato. Once again, she got really sick and her blood sugar was so low that she had to eat about five times a day. The food just would not Balance with the insulin so we went back to Nutrisca. Eventually, we ended up on Natural Balance Limited Ingredient Duck/Legume which was really the lowest fat dry besides prescription and she tolerated it well. So, for her, it was an ingredient issue coupled with history of pancreatitis. So, if you think it is her food, look at the protein or carb source and maybe try a low fat food that doesn't have that particular source and see if she tolerates it and it matches ok with insulin. If not, try a different food with different sources. The main carb sources are potatoes, rice, sweet potatoes, peas, and chickpeas in low fat food. I may have left something out but you have to treat it like a food trial where you eliminate foods like that.

Your Daisy's problem may not be with ingredients but I felt Maggie just couldn't tolerate certain things. The foods you look at don't have to read Weight Management but you can always look at the panel for the percentages of fat and protein. But, the ingredient list is important in eliminating possible issues.

Could the reaction you saw be related to the antibiotic? Maggie had one she took that made her very ill. It is odd that she was eating the same things and suddenly had the reaction but anything is possible.
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Old 08-27-2017, 05:18 PM
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My wife was so impressed that she put ME on a daily probiotic!
Now that's funny, Craig!!

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could it be one thing or multiple things we just dont know . did they do a complete blood panel ? maybe the vet missed something . to me it just seems like something else is going on
She hasn't had a complete blood panel in about 8 months. Her triglycerides were high and she had a UTI.

I'm afraid something else is going on too. The vet gave me about 6 different scenarios- from insulin, to resistance, to pancreatic cancer and a whole bunch in between. I guess if I can't figure this out we'll have to go another route.

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Could the reaction you saw be related to the antibiotic? Maggie had one she took that made her very ill. It is odd that she was eating the same things and suddenly had the reaction but anything is possible.
It does seem really odd that the day after she was off the antibiotics (Clavamox) this happened. I know Augmenten can really upset your stomach, I can't take it because it makes me throw up, so I'm wondering if that had something to do with it. Maybe it's a coincidence.

The good news is she's not panting on the Hill's. I gave her about 1/8 c mixed with her Stewbie and so far so good.

I'm still giving her 1/4u R to get the sugar down. I feel like it's a bandaid but at least I'm buying her some time during the day where it's not in the 5-600's for too long.

I just pray it's her food and the right combination is right around the corner.
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Old 08-27-2017, 07:59 PM
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If you have to use R on a regular basis, I wouldn't look at it as a bandaid but just another part of the routine. Dogs generally do change as time goes by and sometimes you just adjust and go on. Maggie went through so many changes through her years. It used to bother me but then I realized it made sense so you just roll with it.
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Old 08-28-2017, 03:38 AM
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Well the good news is she stayed under 300 until almost 5 this morning, but jumped up to 557 by 6. 1/4 R again but I guess you're right, things change and we have to roll with it. Just praying she evens out some more.
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Old 08-28-2017, 05:14 AM
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Today's Curve

615a 385
830a 359
1030a 274
1230p 176
230p 231
400p 425
600p 622

Help. I'll try giving her a snack about 1p tomorrow, but the problem is that I work during the week.

Why is she all of a sudden doing this?

What kind of carb snack would I give?
Looking back at her August 26 curve, to me, it doesn't look like rebound as much as her running out of insulin in the afternoon.

With a low of 176, you may have room for a small increase in Novolin N. Maybe .5 units. If the increase produces larger swings, then that might point to Somogyi Rebound.

Might be worth a try. Just make sure she doesn't go too low after 6 hours, which appears to be her nadir.

Don't want to change too many things at once, but...In regard to a possible diet tweak... I'm no expert here, but theoretically, if a meal is high in complex carbohydrates (starch and fibre) glucose is released over a longer period in a more controlled way. So maybe a diet change in this regard might prolong the duration of insulin.

Dr. Joi Sutton mentions it here... https://www.adwdiabetes.com/articles...pet-ask-dr-joi
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Old 08-28-2017, 02:52 PM
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i know with Riles i coulnd make even one change without his body going out of wack. i think you.ll find sticking to one food the stewbie without any additives will help Daisy girls tummy. 3 food changes eating worms. bubble gum. lizards oh my stomach. your doing good
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Old 08-28-2017, 04:07 PM
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i know with Riles i coulnd make even one change without his body going out of wack. i think you.ll find sticking to one food the stewbie without any additives will help Daisy girls tummy. 3 food changes eating worms. bubble gum. lizards oh my stomach. your doing good
I'm really trying. She was actually easier to regulate when she first got diagnosed, but I guess this disease can change around a lot.

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With a low of 176, you may have room for a small increase in Novolin N. Maybe .5 units. If the increase produces larger swings, then that might point to Somogyi Rebound.
Thanks Mike, I'll let her settle in with her new dog food then increase over the weekend.



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I'm no expert here, but theoretically, if a meal is high in complex carbohydrates (starch and fibre) glucose is released over a longer period in a more controlled way. So maybe a diet change in this regard might prolong the duration of insulin.
Amy I got some Natural Balance with some potatoes in it. The fiber content isn't that great but she's still getting 1/2 c stewbie that has green beans, broccoli, carrots and spinach. Hopefully that will help.

I appreciate all your help, it gives me some hope that maybe it is a dietary issue, which is what the vet said in the first place. She insisted on RCG and it made Daisy so sick so I thought she was crazy. I'm just not well versed on all this, even after 7 months.
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Old 08-30-2017, 03:43 PM
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For the past couple of days I've added 1/4 cup of Natural Balance to her food. It has helped keep her blood sugar from rising until about 5:00, then it starts going up. I checked her at 4:45 and she was at 253, then at 6:10 she was 449 so we are making progress. At least we're staying below 500. The extra carbs seem to be helping, but I'm still giving her 1/4u R to drop her numbers when they're high like this. I'm hoping we can even out and she can last until 6:30. She used to overlap a little but not anymore.

I'll do a curve Saturday.

So what do you think?
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That sounds encouraging! Hope Saturday's curve shows progress.
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