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Old 04-08-2017, 10:00 AM
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13yr un-spade blind healer diagnosed 3wks ago w/diabetes. Weight @ 23.6lbs. Current wt. @25.8lbs. Looks like dog suffering from EPI but stools are firm. Eats like starving still.4 units insulin 2x day ...any ideas?
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Old 04-08-2017, 10:13 AM
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Welcome to you and your pup.

Which insulin are you using? Current insulin dosage? Can you post glucose values? Are you home blood glucose testing, or plan to?

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Old 04-08-2017, 10:24 AM
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Novolin N
current dose 4 units each am meal pm meal
Hills w/d food
glucose last reading 503
1wk. earlier 110 each @vet office
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Old 04-08-2017, 11:18 AM
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thank you for the warm welcome
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Old 04-08-2017, 02:13 PM
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Novolin N
current dose 4 units each am meal pm meal
Hills w/d food
glucose last reading 503
1wk. earlier 110 each @vet office
4-5 units is frequently a starting dosage for a pup in a 20-25 pound range. Generally, after a week or so the vet would do additional testing and increase the dosage. Unfortunately, we can't normally guess the proper dosage right out of the gate and the process is slow. Really can't rush things because if the increases are too much, that can be much more dangerous than high blood glucose. You might want to view some YouTube videos on home blood testing dogs. It's really not as hard as it sounds.

Strange that your pup (Murphy?) is gaining weight. Uncontrolled diabetics usually loose weight. The starving thing is typical for uncontrolled diabetes. The food enters the mouth, some gets converted to glucose to feed the body, but without the proper amount of insulin the glucose is passed through the urine and doesn't actually feed the body. Basically you could double the food, and without the proper insulin, they would generally still loose weight and be hungry (that's why gaining weight is so strange).

The forum is frequently slow on weekends, folks are doing family things. I'm sure others will check in with you later.

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Hello and welcome!

I just had a couple of things to add to what Craig has already said.

Unspayed females often seem to be more challenging to get regulated due to fluctuating hormone levels. This in itself is another good reason to blood test at home so that you can notice if her insulin needs are changing. I'm not sure if you are already testing like this?

Also I wondered how her current weight compares to her normal weight. Might part of the weight gain be her just regaining weight she lost before diagnosis perhaps?
Our dog lost a lot of weight just around when he was diagnosed then gradually put it back again once we got him onto insulin. (Having said that, he does also happen to have EPI, and EPI stools are indeed unmistakeable!).

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Old 04-09-2017, 03:23 PM
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Thanks Craig and Antonia-
My bad if I came across anxious.
Murphy normal wt. Should be around 35lbs. We just inherited her after the passing of my wife's sister.
Honestly,I initially thought she was not going to be with long. Never saw a dog in this bad a shape. In 1wks. time, diagnosed with diabetes. 3 days later she's in heat. Day after that old dog vestibular syndrome (really scary) then urine infection. Wow. Our vet who is awesome put her antibiotic for infection. Med for vestibular syndrome and valium to calm her. On top of trying to figure out the insulin dose. Did I mention Murphy is completely blind.Living with 4 new dogs that can't figure out why she runs into things being in a new home. I will say cow dogs kick butt. I'm sure we'll figure this out. Your comments really help. I will be talking to our Vet about home testing.
Again thanks very much
Hans~ Colorado
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Old 04-09-2017, 04:16 PM
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Aah, Murphy has a lot more than just diabetes going on. Hormones, stress, other medications and infections can make things much more difficult than "just" diabetes. My worry is that as her other problems get better, the insulin needs may (likely) change. This is beyond my knowledge level, so I'll be reading about no learning along with you.

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being intact female will be challenging when the dog goes into heat there probably will be a change in blood sugar going higher and when it ends it probably will go lower usually the best thing is to get spayed but at 13 that maybe difficult

definitely if you test blood sugar at home you probably can catch the cycles of going into heat and adjust insulin when necessary

my jesse was very dificult with other challenges but we figured out what works for her and you can to
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Diabetes is strongly affected by the heat cycle in unsprayed female dogs. In fact, a few dogs are diabetic only while they are in heat.

So it's very important to monitor her carefully to make sure she still needs insulin or needs as much insulin once the heat cycle has ended.

From the sound of it, she may be in too rough a place to be spayed right now, but ultimately spaying her would be best. The roller coaster of hormones and resulting changes in blood sugar put an unsprayed female dog at great risk of being overdosed on insulin when not in heat and underdosed and suffering ketones while in heat. It's can be very difficult to manage.

This is one case where testing blood sugar at home is mandatory. You will need to know if things suddenly change.

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