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Old 10-16-2021, 11:18 AM
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hey Donna

to see the results of reducing the insulin does takes time. 7 days
keep testing you and your husband are doing great

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if max goes low again reduce another .5
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Old 10-16-2021, 02:44 PM
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Quite the opposite - He hit 550 before dinner at 7 units...
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Old 10-18-2021, 06:27 AM
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looks like you got fasting test in a couple of times, try again for a morning test before food if you can.

you dropt to 6 1/2 just the other day and now back up to 7 . fluctuating his blood sugar.


its recommended to stay on one dose wait 7 days , do a curve then adjust the insulin according to the lowest number
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Old 10-18-2021, 04:01 PM
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Here's the latest. He threw up his breakfast this morning... I know the rule of don't eat, don't inject, but this doesn't seem to fit into that category. He ate, I injected. He vomited about half of it.???
I don't expect a vet opinion here: As I've had an EPI dog, a couple of DM dogs, and IBD dog, and been on many lists, just seeking experience...
Of course I checked his glucose throughout the day and it did run as it normally does. I injected after he ate tonight as his glucose was 338 before dinner.

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Old 10-18-2021, 06:29 PM
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see if he,ll eat his vomit next time. sounds gross but it works. rule of thumb from a diabetic dog owner with 12 yr forum experience (i.m the youngest here lol) inject 1/4 does if they eat nothing, 1/2 dose inject when half the food.

you can test at fasting then feed then test again then wait till the blood sugar is over 200 .

here about the chicken crossing the street in rushhour traffic trying to get to the other side, every day he made it until one day his luck ran out.
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Old 10-19-2021, 11:54 AM
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I only fed jesse one meal a day and a shot of insulin for most of her diabetic life without a meal but i did give her a vitabone with that injection . I think it worked out to a quarter to a third of the normal dose with her full meal

Its general knowledge that you can give a quarter of the normal dose without food and incrementally take it higher depending how much food is consumed

Something to be aware of and you probably know this from other dogs you had with digestive issue that diabetic dogs are prone to pancreatitis and so you might know it can be serious . I am usually on the 3 day program . If things have not improved in 3 days and have gotten worse it maybe time for a vet visit

I usually fasted my jesse for 24 hours if she has digestive issues and that incudes her stools like diarrhea and I have gone up to 48 hours and that worked for her every time she had an issue which I believed was her pancreas heating up . She did have a severe case of pancreatitis early in her diagnosis
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Old 10-19-2021, 03:15 PM
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OMG, I am a Poopoligist by need, not desire! LOL I watch poop like a hawk – I dissect it, examine it and pick it up as soon as they do it!!! Been that way since Tara, my EPI GSD was diagnosed with EPI…We lost her to DM, but had EPI WELL under control for many years… Was even told by my dear vet that she may benefit from a diet, but thoughts were always, she needs wiggle room. LOL My husband and I had a system when she was first diagnosed just before a nasty NE winter. One of us would go out with a headlamp to examine in the dark and our signal to whoever was in the house was a touchdown if it was good and a fumble if it was not. Our neighbor’s must have thought we were certifiable, but it worked for us…

Max has never had Pancreatitis, but occasional bouts of vomiting, which are resolved within a day, as was this case today. He LOVES bunny poop and sometimes overindulges in this habit. We call the rabbits around here Pez dispensers…. His poop has always been a perfect tootsie roll, except when I tried the I tried the Ketona Natural, which is why I quit it…

Also, I’m thinking of getting his B12 tested as I know how important that is to proper digestion – Gave Tara B12 shots for years before switching to Petfactor B12 with intrinsic factor. That said, the B12 test alone is like $350 and as I know excess is peed out if not absorbed, would it hurt to use it in a diabetic dog? Thoughts? Anyone supplement B12?
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Old 10-24-2021, 03:35 PM
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So we were at 166 last night, before dinner, so I made the call, Frosty paws for all! Max was in his glory! It's been a year since he had one!
One very Happy Corgi Max was!
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Old 10-25-2021, 05:36 PM
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So today's curve was higher after insulin in the morning, but dropped much later than usual rather than earlier... He's fed at 5:30 AM, but remained in the 300's until late afternoon. An hour before I injected him he was 169.
After I injected him he's now 330 at 8:30, so this tells me what? He's holding insulin better? Worse?
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Old 10-26-2021, 08:41 AM
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Methyl b-12 has been given for back end weakness . I gave it to my jesse at the back end of her life as its not uncommon for older dogs to display this . For Diabetic dogs they say high sugar can interrupt that communication to the rear end and methyl b-12 may help with that . Other than that I have not heard of any additional benefit for a diabetic dog

Just to give some perspective it was close to a year when thing's settle down but jesse still would have some 300s on occasion . I think her last 5 years she had really good sugar and reached a point I did not test her very much

You maybe able to put the meter down a bit especially in the higher parts of the day or more stable as you have been doing this for a bit . Numbers seem to be ok . Only thing y7ou can do is tweak the dose or experiment with food .
What I have noticed if Jesse started higher at shot time she would drop early if she started lower than she would rise which kind of makes sense as the body may recognize where blood sugar is at the time of injection and reacts or dont react to it

No one knows what is exactly going on . Its all a theory of what maybe happening . There is not test where sugar is coming from in the blood stream. I am confident with my Jesses diabetes that the bodies stored sugar supply played the largest part in her flow of sugar .
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