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psmitty 12-15-2010 10:25 AM

9 Yr Old Silly Lab
Scoobs was diagnosed in about two months ago with diabetes as a result of acute pancreatitis. No matter what we tried, childrens locks, bread boxes, gates, Scoobs always cracked the code and stuffed his belly with bread or bread based foods. He's an addict, but unfortunately there is no support group for that issue. His last bout of pancreatitis put him over the edge. Now he's a diabetic. We are struggling to get his BG's down. He started at 8 units if insulin and is now up to 17. The vets put him on w/d food, but he is progressively losing weight. He started at 85lbs and is down to 66. It's heartbreaking. I worry that since they can't get his levels regulated that not only will he soon become blind, but that my worst fear will happen It's heartbreaking. I only want to do what's best for him, but what we're trying isn't working. He basically just poops out the food since his levels are so high. So 60 bucks a bag is just getting displayed around the yard. I really do not like the ingredients in the w/d food. Corn??? Really? I've heard nothing good about giving dogs corn based food. Maybe it works for other pups, but its certainly not working for mine. I'd be more that welcoming of any feedback or suggestions anyone might have...new diet, feeding regimen...anything. I am so concerned that he is wasting away. Thank you all for listening and for this amazing forum. Good luck with all your pups

Patty 12-15-2010 11:00 AM

Re: 9 Yr Old Silly Lab - REPOSTED HERE
Hi and welcome to you and Scoobs!

How much of the w/d is he getting right now?

What was he eating (other than bread ;)) before diagnosis?

How often is your vet doing curves on Scoobs? Do you have the results of a recent one you could post?

Have you considered home testing? We have some great links to different areas you can try testing. http://www.k9diabetes.com/bgtestvideos.html For a dog Scoobs' size I like the OneTouch Ultra2 meter. If he has an elbow callous that can be a great place to test on a lab as well as the lip stick.

I read in the diet thread he's on Humulin N...this is twice a day? 12 hours apart?

Again, Welcome to you!!

jjefferjo 12-15-2010 11:54 AM

Re: 9 Yr Old Silly Lab - REPOSTED HERE
Welcome to you and scoobs, your story is Eddie's and mine, pancreatitis lead to his diagnosis of diabetes september 2010
At first he lost more than he was eating which was an indicator, it was scary, and he did not have much of an appetitite
So I know your fears. this is great place to get the support you need, keep asking the questions and you will get the answers you need.

Hang in there Eddie and I are pulling for you and scoobs.

psmitty 12-15-2010 01:59 PM

Re: 9 Yr Old Silly Lab - REPOSTED HERE
Thank you both so much for your support and words of encouragement. It truly means a lot.

Scoobs was just at the vet today, and as I suspected, his BG was off the charts. They did a curve last week and 2 out of 3 readings were off the charts. One was around 400. They upped his insulin from 15 to 17 units, and as of today, bumped it up to 19. Still twice a day.

He is going back in tomorrow for a urinealysis and an iv drip, since he's a little dehydrated.

He eats 4 small meals a day, since he he so malnurished. It's the w/d, which I'm not impressed with, and some potatoes (sometimes I add some cooked lean protein).

It's truly heartbreaking, because the poor guy is constantly starving. I want to switch his food asap, but the vets have no recommendations. They love that expensive prescription food.

So, we'll see if 19 units makes a dent or not. I'm keeping my fingers crossed. The goofy skinny pup is aching to get into trouble.

I hope both your journeys are going more smoothly than mine.

Again, Scoobs and I thank you and your pups

Patty 12-15-2010 02:04 PM

Re: 9 Yr Old Silly Lab - REPOSTED HERE
Are his 4 meals consistently at the same time? Consistency will definitley help with regulation.

How much of the w/d is he getting? Certainly high bgs (blood glucose levels) contribute to weight loss as the food isn't able to be used by the cells for nutrition. But Natalie has also said her dog Chris required quite a bit of it to put weight on.

What was Scoobs eating before the w/d?

Hope the insulin increase helps!

peggy0 12-15-2010 06:32 PM

Re: 9 Yr Old Silly Lab - REPOSTED HERE
There are a few dogs here that have had pancreatitis that successfully switched from w/d to Blue buffalo. Their longevity forumula is a good choice if scoobs likes canned food. Very mild but nutritious. My dog lost 10 pounds after being diagnosed and quickly gained it back on blue buffalo. I also regulated him nicely with it. ;) You can buy it at petsmart.

CarolW 12-15-2010 07:23 PM

Re: 9 Yr Old Silly Lab - REPOSTED HERE
I see other forum members are giving you great ideas and thoughts, and at the moment, I don't have anything else to add, so this is just a welcome message to you and Scoobs!

As others said, do hang in there; you'll get the most WONDERFUL help here! The point about consistency was really important. The more consistent you can be in daily routines - times of feeding, of anything else involving Scoobs - the more easily he wlil adapt, and become at least a little easier to regulate.

Do read the articles on the main site, and I also suggest dipping into other threads, on other dogs, because we can learn so much that way, too. Do keep in mind that every dog is different, but we can still learn from reading other threads.

So, a big, fat welcome to you and Scoobs!

Wed, 15 Dec 2010 18:22:51 (PST)

AlisonandMia 12-15-2010 07:51 PM

Re: 9 Yr Old Silly Lab - REPOSTED HERE
Has he always had this really voracious appetite - "breaking and entering" to gorge on food? Or is this something that has only been happening in the last year to two?


psmitty 12-15-2010 08:14 PM

Re: 9 Yr Old Silly Lab - REPOSTED HERE
http://k9diabetes.com/forum/picture....pictureid=1050Again a big thank you to all of you for taking the time to respond to my post:)

Prior to Scoobs diabetes he was on i/d, due to possible liver issues. They thought he had Cushings, which after numerous tests, he does not. Before that it was another kind of prescription food with initials, for having crystals in his urine... so basically he's been on some form of Royal Canin or Hills for over 2 yrs. Before that it was Blue Buffalo adult large breed. My mutt Marley is on Blue Buffalo and I really like the brand and it's ingredients.

Currently Scoobs is eating 2 cups of the w/d at 8:30 am (he gets his shot at 9) then eats the same amount again at 12:30, 4:30 and again at 8:30 (shot again at 9pm). The problem is he's starving again by midnight, so I'm wondering if I should space the food out even more so he'd have 1 less daytime feeding and one around midnight? Or can he have a small serving of food late night instead of a meal? The goofball yelps until someone gets out of bed to give him some food. I'm starting to think he believes he's a celebrity with all this special attention.

I gave him his 19 units tonight so hopefully it will start to work it's magic.

He's supposed to get a urinealysis tomorrow, because the vet thinks that if he has some sort of infection, then that may be the reason the insulin isn't working. Maybe it will answer some questions???

psmitty 12-15-2010 08:19 PM

Re: 9 Yr Old Silly Lab - REPOSTED HERE
He has always been a sneak eater when bread was involved. Over the years he's stolen a loaf of italian bread, broke into the bread drawer, snatched sandwiches off the counter when you turn around to put the mayo back in the fridge. So needless to say the little fella has always had a hunkering for bread related products. Other foods he could care less about.

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