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Old 10-18-2009, 08:45 AM
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Hi Robert,
Wow, gained 3/4 of a pound This is really good news. You put a smile on my face today. I am so happy for you and Mik.

You are a saint!

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Old 10-18-2009, 10:40 AM
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Hi Robert,

Great news about wee Mik gaining 3/4 pound you are doing really well.

You deserve a big pat on the back you have never gave up trying I admire you for that

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Old 10-18-2009, 01:17 PM
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Bob,

This is great news--Mik's being "up" 3/4 of a pound!

This is from a recent article on diabetes from DVM 360--thought I'd share the thoughts of this specialist as they seem to have been written for Mik:

http://veterinarycalendar.dvm360.com...09%09&pageID=8

Diabetes Mellitus DVM 360-April 2009-CVC Proceedings

"Palatability, however, is sometimes an issue and if the diabetic dog refuses the ideal diet it is not in the patient's best interest to rigidly insist that the caregiver only feed the prescribed food. The consequences of feeding a non-prescription diabetes diet are usually minimal as the increased dose of required insulin is seldom greater that 2-4%.

"It is also important that some latitude in feeding times be considered. Although timed feedings that correspond to insulin administration maybe ideal, some dogs (although with less frequency than cats) refuse to adhere to timed feedings, having been intermittent nibblers all of their lives. In as much as most dogs are treated with basal insulin only (no feeding associated pulse insulin administration), dogs that refuse to eat specifically at the time of intermediate acing insulin administration can usually be satisfactorily regulated. In the overall context of initial home insulin administration, efforts should be made to keep dogs eating even if the food type and feeding schedule is not textbook optimized."

This is how you've been approaching things since Mik was diagnosed 6 months ago and while you both have had more than your share of ups and downs, I think you're both winners (and it appears the doctor would too)!

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Old 10-18-2009, 03:33 PM
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Fascinating stuff, Kathy, many thanks!

Yes, "...even if the food type and feeding schedule is not textbook optimized."

Is classic Mik. I try to control the cheerios because of the sugar. but the baby food has zero sugar and low carbs, and the Purina is probably well balanced.

His barking mode is not, "I am hungry, feed me", but rather, "I am hungry, but feed me what I want."

This results in musical bowls. I rotate until finding the 'right one'. He most certainly has a 'taste' in mind, and nothing else will work. There are times--and I'm trying to increase them--when Purina is what he craves at that moment. He will eat a half can, 300 calories, without letup. But he might not touch Purina for another two days. Other times, it's the baby food he wants, 100 calories/jar, and he will gobble down two or three jars.

I am trying to control the cheerios, but at times, that is ALL he wants.

For that day, at least.

Mik is a very selective connoisseur.

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Old 10-18-2009, 04:20 PM
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Bob,

Have had two dogs who were really particular. One was Crumpet, our Old English. He would turn down doggie bags of prime rib because they weren't cooked at home. He loved pizza from the local delivery but when it came to pasta and sauce, he didn't like the restaurant's at all--loved it made at home though.

My current one, Toodles, can make your hair stand on end with what he likes and doesn't. Everything he likes that people normally eat would make for a very badly balanced diet.

When I adopted him, the shelter was feeing Flint River Ranch and I continued that. Not long after, he decided to try not eating the Flint River. Tried some canned food which he loved, but he got diarrhea every time he had it. So back to the Flint River and when he got hungry enough he ate it.

When we discovered he had absence seizures, we also learned that some of the things he liked could trigger them, so a lot of treats just don't come into the house any more.

About a year and a half ago, Flint River did a slight re-formulation, adding cranberries and blueberries; Toodles thought it was horrible and wasn't going to eat "that stuff". We tried him on another similar quality food which he liked, but there was something in it that started him having problems with the seizures again. Back to Flint River and eat it when you're hungry enough.

Recently changed supermarkets and bought the deli hot chicken when there, just as I'd done at the other one. Toodles refused to eat it (but loved the same thing from the other store); he's finally decided that this chicken is just as good.

They keep us busy, don't they?

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Old 10-18-2009, 07:24 PM
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Yes, Kathy, they keep us busy.

My biggest disappointment was in skinless,, boneless chicken breasts. I cooked them in olive oil [just a tad] and he LOVED them! I was so excited that I cooked up about 10 of them, sliced and diced, and froze them.

Mik gobbled them up the first few nights, and I went out and bought HUGE bags of frozen chicken breasts.

About the forth night, he decided they were radio active, and has not gone near them since. A mere sniff and he runs.

So, the neighbors got 20 pounds of frozen chicken breasts.
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Old 10-25-2009, 06:30 AM
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I'm almost afraid to mention it--bad luck, you know--but Mik has been doing better than okay. Breakfast has gone from 50 calories to 100-125, and dinner from 150 to 350 or so. Average over 10 days, about 450 calories.

I need to weigh him, but I'm losing faith in my digital scale. My own wt varies 2-4 pounds when I use it minutes apart.

Still, I hold him a lot and can feel more "body" there. The 2 IU/2x a day seems to be working, so I'm also hesitant of putting him through the trauma of vet blood testing. It's twice in one day, and really stresses him.

But I guess I should anyway.
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Old 10-25-2009, 10:45 AM
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In a very low cyber voice.......I'm almost afraid to respond but glad he is now eating well. Hope all continues to go very well.

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Old 10-25-2009, 12:34 PM
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)))))))Yes!!((((((( Even if things turn around for awhile now that you've spilled the beans... they should average out to him maintaining his weight.

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Old 10-25-2009, 05:59 PM
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Bob,

Congratulations are in order! Just had a look at the start of this thread and see that you've been working with Mik for 6 months now!

I'd believe that Mik has gained the weight because you can feel it.

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